Board Mock Draft - All-Time Players

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  1. blueadams

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    I ran the point guard's today. Same thing I did with the centers. I took all the point guard's from SLAM magazine's top 50 players of all-time list (and used their best PER season), and SLAM's top point guard for the 2012-13 season (2011-12 Chris Paul). I had their #1 all-time PG - Oscar Robertson - set the standard. I put him at PG for the 2011-12 Miami Heat squad. I gave him 48 min/g. I removed all backups. I did the same for all challengers. 50 games, 25 home, 25 away. Here are the results:

    …..PG, S. Nash(06-07)…..28-22
    …..PG, C. Paul(11-12)…..27-23
    PG, O. Robertson(63-64)
    …..PG, J. Stockton(89-90)…..*26-28
    …..PG, W. Frazier(71-72)…..24-26
    …..PG (SG, PG), A. Iverson(05-06)…..23-27
    …..PG (SG, PF), M. Johnson(86-87)…..22-28
    …..PG (PG, SG), J. Kidd(98-99)…..22-28
    …..PG, G. Payton(99-00)…..22-28
    …..PG (PG, SG), J. West(64-65)…..21-29
    …..PG, I. Thomas(84-85)…..20-30
    …..PG, B. Cousy(52-53)…..13-37

    06-07 S. Nash was #1. 11-12 C. Paul (not even the best C. Paul) was #2. Oscar was #3. Stockton took him to double-OT and was #4. Walt Frazier, surprisingly was #5 (defense?). Iverson surprisingly beat Magic. Kidd and Payton surprisingly tied Magic (and beat Zeke, West, Cousy).

    Don't know if I'm liking the simulator..
     
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    Maybe it is the way that they fit in with the Miami Heat personnel, which is pretty unique (i.e. Lebron does a lot of the PG duties and scoring).
     
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    I gotta say, as the owner of Dwight Howard and Steve Nash, I'm liking the results so far. We'll see how they play out, though.
     
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    FWIW, just out of curiosity, I ran Dwight and CP3's best PER seasons. In both cases, their best PER season was 1 game worse than their 2011-2012 season. Still the same ranking among other competitors, however. CP3 was still 2nd behind Nash. Dwight was still first (although, tied for first with Kareem, as opposed to being alone at first).

    I'd guess that there's probably a factor in the equation the simulator uses that gives more recent players additional talent.
     
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    I was thinking that. Perhaps I should be running them on a created all-time SLAM team. C: Wilt, PF: Russell, SF: Bird, SG: Jordan, PG: Oscar
     
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    Whoops.
     
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    The simulator sorts the player by season performance for you. I imagine whatever criteria it uses for sorting would be a good choice for the simulation, as well. That is, just pick the season that the Simulator recommends for you.
     
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    Hmm.. so, if you search for all years, and just pick the player at the top (with the highest salary)?
     
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    Just looking at who the simulator gives the top salaries to..

    1) C, W. Chamberlain(62-63)
    2) C, K. Abdul-Jabbar(71-72)
    3) SG, M. Jordan(88-89)
    4) PF, S. Haywood(69-70)...........WHO!?
    5) C, M. Malone(78-79)
    6) C, A. Gilmore(71-72)..........WHO!?
    7) PG, O. Robertson(62-63)
    8) C, H. Olajuwon(92-93)
    9) C, D. Robinson(92-93)
    10) PF, T. Duncan(01-02)
    11) C, B. McAdoo(74-75)
    12) PF, K. Garnett(03-04)
    13) C, S. O'Neal(93-94)
    14) PF, C. Barkley(87-88)
    15) PF, K. Malone(90-91)
    16) SF, L. James(08-09)
    17) SF, J. Erving(74-75)
    18) PF, J. Lucas(67-68)
    19) SG, K. Bryant(02-03)
    20) C, W. Bellamy(62-63)
    21) C, P. Ewing(89-90)
    22) SF, L. Bird(84-85)
    23) C, D. Howard(07-08)
    24) SF, E. Baylor(62-63)
    25) SF, K. Durant(09-10)
    26) PF, S. Marion(05-06)..........WWWHHHOOO!!!???
    27) PF, E. Hayes(70-71)
    28) PG, N. Archibald(72-73)
    29) SG, D. Wade(08-09)
    30)

    ...that's all I can look at. Player search is limited..
     
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    Artis Gilmore (A-Train) for crissakes...
     
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    That's what I would do.

    Spencer Haywood had a season with the Nuggets averaging 30 points and 20 rebounds. That ain't a bad season.
     
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    So I guess it isn't sorting by PER.

    I think going with its recommendations should be the default, unless you specifically request another year (for specialization purposes).
     
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    I can't believe we all overlooked the great Shawn Marion
     
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    Nice touch on his short J's. Too tall and quick to stop. Wish I would have drafted him.
     
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    Good chance to get to know some of these old ABA guys.
     
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    I'm stress testing the sim a little.

    Just matched up a team made entirely of Wilt Chamberlains against a team of PG: Austin Daye, SG: Austin Daye, SF: Charlie V, PF: Charlie V, and C: Charlie V

    Game 1: Wilts won 101-71 (the Wilts attempted 0 3-pointers) and doubled up the DAye-Villa team in rebounding and blocked shots. Charlie and Daye fouled Wilts 25 times and drew 7 fouls themselves.
    Game 2: Wilts won 102-92. Almost the same stats, except the Pistons greats hit 11 3's to keep it close.
    Game 3: 91-84. A little closer thanks to a monster game from some version of Charlie V. Blocked shots were 23-6 in favor of the Wilts though.
    Game 4: UPSET. 80-87. Daye cracked the code as he dribbled and shot circles around the over tired Wilts. Despite getting outblocked 24 to 5, team Daye/Villanueva killed them from the outside and fouled the bejeezus out of the Wilts, who only shot 47% from the line. The strategy worked.
    Game 5: 104-61 in favor of the Wilts. You could call game 4 a wake up call I guess (blame it on the orgy after game 3). The Wilts had 74 rebounds, 23 blocks, and were sent to the line 46 times in this one to put it away.


    Despite having nobody to dribble the ball and 5 ego-maniacs who all wanted to score 100 points, team Wilt upheld their legend to prove that while modern athletes like Charlie V and Austin Daye are physically superior, cunning and grit can make up the difference.
     
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    I love that post so much, TaS. Thank you.
     
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    I even had it generate a play-by-play, but man are those boring to read when you know that the game didn't really happen.

    I'm wondering how a team full of Darkos would fare against an all teen-wolf team... stand by.
     
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    This is wild stuff. The sim is really good.

    Team 1: PG: Boykins, SG: Boykins, SF: Bogues, PF: Bynum, C: Bynum
    Team 2: All Darkos (no subs even though they are all heavy smokers)


    Game 1: 38-40. Close game, but the Darkos pulled it out with an exciting finish. I kid you not, this is how the sim said it went down on the play by play. To break a 38-38 tie, Darko flew in for the "hard dunk". On the ensuing possession, he stole the ball from Bynum and was immediately fouled. He missed both free throws and the Bynums were unable to get a shot off as time expired. Blocked shots were 29-2 in favor of the Darkos.

    Game 2: 70-48. Team Wolf hit their shots and limited turnovers to 13.

    Game 3: 67-46. Darkos shot 18% from the field and only got off 2 free throw attempts. Pure laziness as I can only imagine their virtual coach was disgusted by the performance.

    Game 4: 58-43. Darkos turned it over 36 times and only had 4 AOTG's.

    Game 5: 57-58. Another nail biting win for the guys with the earrings. "Darko Milicic drills a jumpshot from just outside the paint" to end the game.

    Game 6: 33-56. Domination by the surging Cigars. This time, they hold the little guys to 18% shooting. Rebs were 95-22. Blocks were 25-0. A combined 66 turnovers must not have been fun to watch for the handful of virtual fans in attendance (TaS, Lee356, and Buddafan).

    Game 7: 49-64. Just too much attitude to be denied. They lipped off the refs about their mothers and daughters and played with cigarrettes in their mouths during the entire 2nd half. Offensive rebs were 38-3. Blocks 22-1.


    Great series.
     
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    If the clueless coach had played Darko more in games 2, 3 and 4, that would have been an easy sweep.
     

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