Bill Laimbeer

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  1. Slippy

    Slippy All-Star Administrator Forum Donor

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    Most mainstream writers are dismissing the idea of Bill Laimbeer as the next coach. Why is that? We make a big deal about the coaching crousel but just about every guy was an X's and O's guy. Execution is a means to an end. The end is winning. If your focus as a coach is to get players to execute, you are the wrong guy for the NBA.

    Bill Laimbeer, more than most candidates, has the track record of imposing his will on an opponent. This is what needs to be driven into the guys; not rotations, not a giant playbook of sets.

    In any competative sport where to entities clash directly, there is a spiritual sense of willpower. The GTW era team had it and I think it largely stemmed from Ben Wallace. A winning team must constantly win the battle of will rather than simply capitalizing on an opponents lapse.

    I don't know if BL can instill that sense of will but after all this time, I'm hoping to find out.

    I don't follow the Pistons to see high flyers, I follow them for no-nonsense, hardworking basketball. You can't work 1/2 a game and phone in the other half and call it good.
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    Laimbeer Named Head Coach & GM

    NEW YORK, NY - October 25, 2012 - The New York Liberty announced today that Bill Laimbeer, a WNBA Coach of the Year and three-time WNBA Champion, has been hired as the team's general manager and head coach.
    It was also announced today that John Whisenant, who served as head coach and general manager, will be leaving the team. In two seasons with the Liberty (2011-12), Whisenant compiled a 34-34 record, guiding the squad to a pair of playoff berths.
    "We're excited to have Bill Laimbeer join the New York Liberty as our general manager and head coach. He has brought his winning pedigree and passion to the WNBA and I believe he will play a large role in bringing a championship to the Liberty," said Allan Houston, the New York Knicks' assistant GM, who also oversees Liberty basketball operations. "We appreciate Coach Whisenant's dedication to our team and the organization, and wish him well in the future."
    "I am very excited to return to the WNBA, and for the opportunity to join the New York Liberty," Laimbeer said. "I missed the competitive fire of players like Cappie Pondexter and Plenette Pierson, two hard-nosed competitors for the Liberty. The commitment of our fans and the City will be invaluable in our quest to bring a WNBA championship to New York. After all, that's really all that counts."
    Laimbeer previously spent eight seasons from 2002-09 as general manager and head coach of the Detroit Shock (now Tulsa Shock), where he earned WNBA Coach of the Year honors in his first full season as head coach (2003). He took over a team that finished 9-23 in the previous year and led them to a league-best 25 wins the following season. The 16-win improvement was the largest in WNBA history. Laimbeer led the Shock to a 137-93 (.596) overall record, including six-straight playoff appearances as the squad won the WNBA Championship in 2003, 2006 and 2008.
    A 14-year NBA veteran, Laimbeer was a four-time All-Star for the Detroit Pistons. As a member of the famed "Bad Boys," Laimbeer totaled 13,790 points and 10,400 rebounds in his career, becoming just the 19th player in NBA history to eclipse 10,000 in both categories. A integral member of back-to-back NBA championships in 1989 and 1990, he had his jersey No. 40 retired by the franchise in 1995.

    Would you really want to give that up to be a coach in the NBA given that he was just appointed last year?
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    He may not go for it. But he also might. It's been a long time goal. He left the shock.
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    Bill Laimbeer seems to represent an identity for the people that clamor for him more than anything else. Not even a unique identity among coaches, just an identity that can be tied to the idyllic yesteryear of the Pistons. But he has little NBA coaching experience. From the reports I've heard, he didn't really impress teams in interviews. I can't recall one area of the game he seems to be a specialist in. He's also one of the most successful coaches in WNBA history and has just been given the reigns to a "big market" team that just grabbed two players in the top 7 of the draft. Why can't some accept that he's great there and be proud of that as enough?

    If you can't execute, you won't win. Sam Mitchell is a tough guy. Couldn't execute, didn't win. Paul Silas is imposing. Couldn't execute, didn't win. I admit, I don't get it. The Bad Boy Pistons were before I could understand basketball so the nostalgia does nothing for me.
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    That identity is a competative fire rare even in professional sports combined with a winning record in professional sports. I really don't care what his career does. What I've seen and read about his coaching is what I'd like to experience as a fan of the Pistons.
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    I'll grant you that the Bad Boys were "before you could understand basketball," however, it's NOT just about nostalgia. It's about maintaining your culture of winning and utilizing the individuals who where catalysts in that effort. Coaching experience is not the sole determining factor. Joe D handed the job to MICHAEL CURRY of all people, so any suggestion that you need coaching experience to be acceptable here rings false to me. The one thing Curry DID NOT have is ANYTHING on Bill Laimbeer's resume. Laimbeer represents exactly what the culture of Detroit Basketball is. Hell, he helped CREATE it. He won 2 championships here as a player, so he knows what kind of hard work and sacrifice goes into winning. He was a part of that winning process so he's in a GREAT position to teach that to young players who do not know what it takes. He's probably tougher than every one on this roster RIGHT NOW, so if there's anyone that can work at making this team tougher, it's him. Players who can't toughen up and give more effort, should be gone.

    He was also front and center learning from a coaching great in Chuck Daly, so just like Pop learned from LB, I find no reason to think he wouldn't have learned anything to utilize in his own coaching career. He won 3 WNBA championships as soon as he took over. Now, everyone likes to make fun of that, however, that displays to me that he at least knows his X's and O's and can forumalte winning game plans. The only component missing from the NBA is the personnel management. If he has a grasp on handling NBA players' personalities, that's all he needs. Furthermore, who on this team is going to tell Laimbeer he doesn't know what he's talking about?

    The Lakers and Celtics have built a winning culture for their franchises by valuing the winners that have come through for them over the years. They maximize those experiences and use them to move the franchise into the future while teaching the new players how to become champions. In recent history, I feel the Pistons have had a culture that values maintaining the power structure more than winning. There is no magic formula for success that we just have to start doing, however, one of the things that HAS proven to breed success is taking advantage of the people that have come through your franchise and helped build it into a success. Those people are in a perfect position, experience-wise, to teach your new players what it takes to succeed and would be effective at weeding out players who aren't willing or able to step it up instead of allowing them to chill here for season after season with little or no improvement. Those individuals are also the BEST options you have for building fan AND player loyalty and fostering, again, a "winning culture."

    Players like Isiah Thomas, Bill Laimbeer, Chauncey Billups, Ben Wallace, and even Joe Dumars should be well entrenched in the Pistons organization. They should not be guys who will this team to success, yet have to buy tickets to get into the Palace. They should be the ambassador faces that this franchise uses to bring in free agents and entrench draft picks into Pistons Basketball. They have the experience, the knowledge, the success, and the appreciation for being a part of the Pistons organization that would make Detroit a place that people WANT to play, not just HAVE to play.
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    Joe's never seriously considered hiring an ex-teammate. He's not gonna start now. End of story. #giveitupalready
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    The reason why I want Laimbeer is not nostalgia. The last several years, being a Pistons fan has been more of a chore than entertainment. Since Larry Brown left, every coaching hire, at least for me, has been between "meh" and "are you friggin kidding me?" Laimbeer would be a very exciting hire for me. He would add instant entertainment value.

    And he has the competitive spirit and focus. It's easy to ignore a little leprechaun with no playing experience yelling at you for missing an assignment. It's a lot different when it's coming from a 2-time NBA champ that is 7' tall with a nasty attitude.

    I think Monroe would benefit the most from him.
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    Then he should be fired if he's not willing to explore options and stubbornly holds on to some personal stigma that allows him to hire Michael Curry and John Kuester, but not even give consideration to a better candidate in Bill Laimbeer.
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    Hallelujah! Preach on.
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    It's hard for me to imagine Ben Gordon dribbling a ball and demanding that Bill Laimbeer "learn to respect."
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    For the record, I'm all for the Bill Laimbeer head coach idea.

    However, I'm not sure that Laimbeer would be a good fit for this team. Read this article for a little insight on his coaching style:




    What happens the third or fourth time he calls Charlie V "Cancer Patient?"



    I say hire the guy, and any Piston not tough enough to take it gets shipped out.
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    I LOVE IT....it's sounds like just the guy I want to toughen this bunch up.
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    Wanting Laimbeer is not nostalgia. Wanting Zeke would be nostalgia.
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    I don't see a lot of hire Michael Cooper posts.
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    What has Michael Cooper won?
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    Is wanting Mike Curry back considered nostalgia?
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    Nostalgia or dementia, I can't decide which.
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    2 WNBA championships, 5 championships as a player. Also has had trouble breaking into the NBA coaching ranks. Played under Riley. He's the best parallel I can think of when thinking of Laimbeer as a coaching prospect.
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    Cooper has no ties to this franchise.

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