Ben Gordon: It's Time to Cut Bait

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  1. Nemo

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    By saving his 1 amnesty clause, Joe D is basically saying that it is possible that he might get released as GM for making a poor amnesty decision. Can you imagine Gordon averaging 22 points per game next season. Tell me that is not a scary thought.
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    You are going too far here. Remember, Dumars hired again new coach and I'm more than sure - coach wanted to asess his troops personally. In internet -world fants throw away and hire daily , in real life - you can't take your decisions back. Besides, amnesting either BG or CV is pointless - even cuts do not give reamarkable cap relief. For agressive free agency you need 15 or so mil under cap and Detroit is practically dead last, speaking of market attractivity anyway. In short - the best hope is to try to trade beforementioned players during contract year.
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    Ben Gordon 22pts. We need more of these threads lol.
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    Some of the players have been reading our posts............
    They're starting to bring it.........................:)
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    Perfect, trade him while his stock is high!

    Say we trade Bengo ($11.6M w/ 2 more years) + Jerebko ($4.5M w/ 3 more years) + Maxiell ($5M w/ 1 more year) for Rashard Lewis ($22M w/ 1 more year).

    Then we waive Villanueva and save some money for the next 2 years.

    We'd be a blank slate in 2014.
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    You know that you've hit rock bottom when trading for Rashard Lewis (perhaps the most overpaid player in the history of organized basketball) seems like a good idea.
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    The next thing you know, someone will start up a thread suggesting to bring Darko back.
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    You know you've hit rock bottom when you'd rather have Darko than your "franchise" free agent signing.
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    Wilson Chandler and/or Jeff Green, I think you can get them both for about $15M, if you add another player via the lottery (Thomas Robinson) we're as good as as Indy, Philly and Atl, which is a good first step.
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    Do you like Draymond Green in the 2nd round? You can never have enough green...
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    I can't make an objective decision on Draymond, too close to home. But I believe there's a place for him in this league, just not sure if there's a place for him as a Piston.
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    The primary reason why we didn't amnesty Rip and waived him instead is because Joe D. decided to take care of Rip. If we amnestied him, he would have no choice in where he would go (like Billups). With the buyout, he was able to sign wherever he wanted. The Pistons organization (not just Joe D. as this would've had to be done with Gores' approval) just took care of a good player who brought home a championship. This was a big "thank you" parting gift to Rip. That's all.
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    He may be a tweener at the next level. The Pistons can always find room for a guy that can be mediocre at multiple positions.
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    Rashard Lewis is actually a pretty attractive trade option for someone looking to cut salary. Here's why:

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id...wall-rashard-lewis-how-fix-washington-wizards

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    Thank you. Amnesty clauses, waivers & trades all apply to the guaranteed part of the contract. Not the total worth. If someone is amnestied, you only have to pay the difference between what their auction value is and their guaranteed contract value.
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    I knew my post would make you happy. :)
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    Yet Ben Gordon is the same guy that he was when we signed him. The only real difference is that we play him less minutes than the Bulls did, so his gross numbers are down.

    With Ben, the only real stats to look at are eFG%, assist rate, and maybe steal rate.

    Year: efg/ ast%/ stl%
    05: .474/ 16.3/ 1.4
    06: .494/ 17.3/ 1.6
    07: .513/ 20.1/ 1.2
    08: .500/ 16.9/ 1.2
    09: .521/ 15.9/ 1.2
    10: .470/ 16.7/ 1.5
    11: .510/ 13.2/ 1.2
    12: .494/ 17.2/ 1.4
    All: .499/ 16.7/ 1.3

    The first year that we had him was his worst year ever from a shooting standpoint, but he came to a team that was pretty strange. We still had Chucky Atkins who started 11 games and played a fair amount. We had Rip hogging the 2 spot. We had Stuckey, Bynum, and Summers all getting real minutes as well. Bynum started in 20 games that year compared to Ben Gordon's 17 starts. The lineups were constantly shuffled and we didn't exactly put him in a position to succeed. In addition to that, Ben came from a playoff team to a team that was 27-55 and couldn't get an open shot playing with our bench threats like (Atkins, Summers, Kwame Brown, and Austin Daye. His ast% and stl% were at or above his career averages though.

    And even though the .470 eFG% was the worst of Bengo's career, he still had the highest eFG% of any guard on the Pistons that year:
    Bynum- .455
    Rip- .437
    Atkins- .433
    Stuckey- .413
    Summers- .412

    Last year with us, Ben was back to his old form with his 3rd best shooting year ever. This year, he's right about on his career average.

    It is sort of sickening to think that we got the guy that Joe thought we would get and it may be the worst contract in the league. We will be paying him over $13M a year in 2014 to come off the bench, hit some 3 pointers, and commit some fouls. But unlike most bad contracts, this one isn't caused by injury or decreased performance. It was bad from the get-go.
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    I saw that the other day. His turnover rate is basically the same as well. The problem is he needs the shots to cancel out the unforced turnovers and other liabilities. Shots come from other folks. So we either need to get more shots over all (faster pace) or other folks will shoot less. I am a big proponent of getting JJ 10+ shots every game. He's not a go to scorer but he's a good indication that the ball is moving and people are in the right spots.
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    Gordon is essentially the same type of player as JJ Reddick, Kyle Korver, Jordan Farmar etc. Those guys all make about 40% of what Gordon is raking in. BenGo's one advantage over these guys was supposed to be the fact that he can create his own shot. As horrid as his ball handling is, that's not always working so well.

    We're essentially paying him double what he's worth.
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