Tigers Axe Leyland ?

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Leyland is too by the book and old !

  1. yes, can him

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    20.0%
  2. no, let him blow his stodgy old smoke

    1 vote(s)
    10.0%
  3. clickers

    4 vote(s)
    40.0%
  4. Sheed fan

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    40.0%
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  1. TheeTFD

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    if we don't get by the A's
     
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    This poll is amazing.
     
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    I like the way clickers sounds, but not sure what it means......
     
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    I wanted to vote for it but then I got to thinking...
    What if "clickers" means something or represnents an idea that I am opposed to?
    By voting for "clickers", am I voting for terrorism, Rwandan genocide or cancer?

    ...I'm pretty solid on Rasheed Wallace so I went with the safe choice.
     
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    you're probably right...

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    Leland made some great moves this afternoon.
     
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    I wouldn't base my answer on the results. Personally, I'm fond of the old man. I respect his knowledge and like how he pulls the levers most of the time. I like how the players like him and respect him. I like how he rides the hot hand more often than not. He also knows when to let go and let his players play (Cabrera getting green lights on all 3-0 counts, Verlander going deep into pitch counts, Martinez getting some starts at catcher, Peralta getting thrown into LF for the first time in his life for his bat, and on and on).

    If we could get Gibby as a replacement, I'd be cool with that too (for about the same reasons I like Laimbeer).
     
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    I respect him to. He's forgotten more Baseball than I'll ever know.
    BUT he's rarely in the moment. He still relies on baseball antics that are 4 decades old.
    Fortunately someone asked him if Max would be available before last nites game.
    And his answer was typical Leyland, "well if max feels ok and he thinks he can go then I'll consider it. Other wise I would never do that".
    Now he needs Justin to pitch another gem just to get pass those cheap-azz A's !
    We'll need 28 runs over 4 wins to beat Bosox !!!
     
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    Can you say punked ?!
    How could you disrespect one of the deadliest big game hitters of the last 2 decades.
    Oh that's right, our bully has been magnificent all season.
    Weak to walk him? How about smart ? Winning run at the plate, the odds aren't in their favor.
    Would you think about walking Big Poppy next time ?
    It's back on, Axe Leyland ... If he can't get past Boston !
     
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    You don't axe the 2013 World Series Champions manager..
    Get back on the bus Thee...:)
     
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    What if he continues to get punked ?
     
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    Then when he's punked next year, we'll analyze it then.
    Not while he marching to the championship this season.
     
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    He's not marching he's stumbling bumbling all dorky !
     
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    This is my kind of Leyland (keep the volume low if at work):

     
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    DOES LEYLAND EVER shake up his lineup?/ NO
    DOES he ever play to speed situations?? NO
    CAN he maNage a bullpen?? NO

    IS HE a GREAT clubhouse manager?...YES!!


    sometimes..thats all u need....but if we dont win this year..he should go..on his own.
     
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    Does he ever shake up his lineup? Does 110 different starting batting orders this year give you your answer?

    Here are the different players that have started games at each spot in the order:

    #1 spot: Jackson, Dirks, Infante, Garcia, Kelly
    #2 spot: Hunter, Dirks, Infante, Iglesias, Kelly
    #3 spot: Cabrera, Hunter, Tuiososopo, Dirks, Kelly, Fielder
    #4 spot: Fielder, Martinez, Peralta
    #5 spot: Martinez, Dirks, Peralta, Tuiososopo, Kelly, Infante
    #6 spot: Avila, Catellanos, Dirks, Infante, Kelly, Pena, Peralta, Tuiasosopo
    #7 spot: Infante, Peralta, Avila, Tuiasosopo, Dirks, Pena, Kelly, Perez, Iglesias, Garcia
    #8 spot: Avila, Infante, Pena, Santiago, Kelly, Iglesias, Perez, Garcia, Dirks, Tuiasosopo
    #9 spot: Santiago, Iglesias, Infante, Garcia, Pena, Avila, Kelly, Holaday, Perez, Sanchez


    Does he ever play to speed situations... not sure what you mean by that exactly. The team stole 35 bases this year and we were caught 20 times. Meanwhile, Boston stole 123 bases and were only caught 19 times. It may be that our lineup is not as fast as Bostons, not that Leyland didn't send the runners enough. With some of the best hitters in the game, Leyland deemed it foolish to risk getting caught stealing. The strategy seemingly paid off as we scored the 2nd most runs in MLB with 59 more hits than any other team. And grounding into double plays was not unique to us. #1 through #6 in the league were 1) Arizona, 2) St Louis, 3) LA Dodgers, 4) Tigers, 5) Tampa Bay, and 6) Boston. It's just a correlation to always having guys on base... which is why the list contains the last 4 surviving teams. Leyland infrequently calls for bunts, which is in line with sabermetric findings on the subject that show that they are probably not as good as letting hitters hit, except for in the rarest of situations.


    Can he manage a bullpen? Clearly an opinion answer only is possible. But last off season, all the talk was about how the Tigers didn't have a closer and needed to acquire one. Dombrowski didn't do it. Leyland auditioned Rondon and deemed him not ready. He tried Valverde again and it failed after a decent start. Then he found a great rhythm with Benoit. Both Smyly and Benoit were all-star candidates this year with Benoit finishing 3rd in the voting with his 2.01 ERA (Smyly's ERA was 2.37). Smyly had 0 losses this year and Benoit had 1. I'd say that Leyland did a ton of experimenting with his bullpen as he was managing for the post season (Larry Brown like). After the all-star break, he cut out a lot of the exploration and stuck with what was working. He was dealt a tough hand this year and has made the most of it. My opinion is that he manages the bullpen adequately and plays the match-ups with a robust analytics backing judging by his knowledgeable comments after games regarding his decisions.


    We are in the semi finals of an elimination tournament here. We are up against a great team and we are holding our own, if not looking stronger. Our manger is no slouch.
     
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