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  1. roscoe36

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    HAPPY NEW YEAR PISTONS FANS!
     
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    We're sitting on 27 wins in 2010. This could make it 28.
     
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    Well, the team scored 35 points fewer than what Phoenix allows it's opponents per game (110). The 75 points were 13 points less than their previous opponent season low.

    This team is better without Stuckey? Nah, not buying that.
     
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    Not only is the team obviously not better without Stuckey, it's also much worse with Rip. That guy is playing putrid BB.
     
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    Happy New Year Everyone.

    The Pistons have no coach. None at all.

    The rotation: Non-existent. Tonight, he tried to cut Monroe out.

    He fails to remember to rest players.

    The game was not lost at the beginning - nor in the 3rd quarter where we had a bit of a comeback. It was lost in the 2nd and 4th quarters because Kuester has no concept of 1)What works and what does not work 2)How to rest players and then get them back in after they rest.

    Sure, not having Stuckey is not a good thing - since that means you have to play Bynum some. But that does not excuse the rest of the non-sense Kuester pulls,

    Without changing the coach, the Pistons are going nowhere. Anyone who has tickets to games, I would strongly consider getting a refund.
     
  8. BillLaimbeer

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    Pistons only trail the Kings by 3 games in the race for the worst team in the NBA.

    * It's very hard to win when you score 75 points
    * New PG T-Mac had 5 turnovers, 2 assists, went 3-for-10, and was MINUS 22
    * Rip went 2-for-9 and the team was MINUS 30 in his 21 minutes of play
    * Bynum had 3 points, 1 assist, 2 steals, 0 turnovers and was MINUS 1 in his 14 minutes
    * Daye went 4-for-8 and led the team with 8 rebounds in only 20 minutes
     
  9. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    The Pistons have never had a performance like this with Rod Stuckey running things.

    That was just a bad outing all around. I don't think you can put it on one person. It was collective.

    It was nice seeing Gordon get some shots up. It was bad seeing where they went. I know I have blamed a lot of Gordon's struggles on Stuckey's PG abilities, but that isn't right. Gordon just doesn't fit here. Stuckey has merely made a bad situation a little worse.

    Chicago has a glaring hole for Gordon.

    Minus Stuckey the Pistons roster seems to make more sense. They're still not good, but......

    T-Mac had some grotesque shots tonight for sure.

    How many players have missed 2 games over 3 days with the flu? It seems having the longest rookie season known to mankind wasn't enough for # 3, he is going for the worst case of the flu ever too. Who says this guy doesn't compete?

    Why do so many of the Piston players opt for the Cliff Claven look with the low cut black sneakers and mid-calf white socks?

    Can't believe Bad Back Wilcox got hurt.

    One of the Suns halftime guys said the Pistons 1st half was one "of the worst displays he's ever seen in the NBA."

    Daye looked pretty good again.

    Monroe looks way more comfortable shooting layups when he brings the ball upcourt and takes off from a distance then he does from next to the basket.

    At least Q subbed guys back in when the Suns were pulling away in the 2nd Q.

    Merry New Year everyone! It has been a pleasure sharing the Pistons with you.
     
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    Nah, that flu Stuck has is pretty serious. It's been going around the league this year, and with all those bear hugs Rodney is known to give each game, he was bound to catch it sooner or later.
     
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    and his team is as healthy as possible - my speculative fanradar has found a hidden message! Nobody, I mean, nobody, hugs Stuckey in Pistons lockerroom!!!

    What :detective: has to say about it?

    Rodney Stuckey is the real lockerrom cancer, not Charlie Villaneuva!!! Somebody has to inform Kevin Garnett better !!

    :drama:
     
  12. LA Dre

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    Only saw the first half.....may look at the second if I can't find anything else to watch...

    Visual observations....no defense of the three ball or any defense on the perimeter....plus the Suns could not miss anything during one 8 minute stretch of the second qtr.

    After losing four in a row and allowing an average 112 pg the past 7 games, the newest Sun Gortat calls out his new team mates and they put on their best defensive effort of the season holding the Pistons to 75 points.

    Of course you are not going to win many games shooting 40% from the floor and 44% from the FT line and 25% from beyond the arc while your opponent had 27 open looks from the beyond the arc and hit 12 of them.

    Same old Pistons...one good game, and then a step or two back wards.

    Happy New Year party people....hopefully it is a new improved one for the Pistons...
     
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    When the Pistons were a top team, they never doubled the post guys. Ben Wallace and Sheed handled every post player 1 on 1. If the Pistons try that now, they get obliterated much of the time. Ben Wallace is a shell of himself, and just intimidates nobody on D anymore (he can play a little, but much of the time he just doesn't have the legs and hops to be a strong deterrent). Greg Monroe looks to me like he can become a fine defensive player, but he's not an explosive-leaper type and he's a young rookie still learning the league and the game, so he's not going to be a defensive presence that other teams fear. And there is absolutely nobody else on the roster who doesn't get obliterated down low.

    So, guess what? The Pistons have to collapse into the paint to help out their overmatched interior defenders. Now, when you play small ball guys with those overmatched interior defenders, well, that's Big Trouble in Little China (great movie, btw). And even when you've got great length with guys like Daye and Tay and McGrady, when they try to scramble back out to the 3 pt line, there's no chance that they aren't going to be too late or that the team can cover either of the next two passes. We're leaving NBA players wide open and tons of time to set their feet = disaster.

    And aside from Stuckey, our guards are awful at contesting dribble penetration. Bynum, Rip are just terrible in this regard. Bengo is a bit better than they are, but that's still not a strength for him. We really miss JJ in that regard - his agility and footwork are so outstanding that he is brilliant at staying in front of any player, any position.

    All this equals a Pistons team that has no hope of being strong defensively as this roster is constructed. In the future, Monroe will be a plus defensively. JJ will be a core guy. Stuckey will be a core guy and solid defensively. Daye will be a core guy and able to guard a lot of space given his length. So that's 4 guys that should fit into a good defensive team, but ONLY IF we're successful in finding a 2-3 other other defensive front court guys.
     
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    Wen didn't lose this game defensively, they only scored 92 points. This game was lost offensively. Phoenix trapped T-Mac and what a good team would have turned into numerous lay ups with good ball movement, we turned it into a brick collection. We actually missed Stuckey tonight, NOBODY was attacking the basket against a team with a weak front-court. Pathetic. As was stated earlier I continue to see Rip as the odd man out here, he really isn't a very good basketball player when his shot isn't falling, which leads to another point:

    How many of our guys are actually liabilities if they aren't scoring the basketball?
    1.Bynum
    2.Gordon
    3.Rip
    4.CV
    5.Ben Wallace

    5 players in our rotation who can't do squat if they aren't scoring, can't run the offense, rebound, defend, etc etc etc
     
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    Ben Wallace obviously has value if he isn't scoring - he's still good (just no longer great) defensively, but the rest of your list is critical. If Rip, CV, Bynum and Gordon aren't scoring, they're liabilities - except CV and Gordon are at least floor stretchers, so they give the other guys more room to operate even if they're off. No way will teams not guard them closely.
     
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    I've noticed that it takes between two and three games for the scouting to catch up. Clearly the league has figured out the T-Mac PG experient.
     
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    At 11-22, the Pistons have won one for every two they have lost. Good analogy....
     
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    When the defense overplays a PG, they get burned. Not so with TMac/ Prince/ and any other big guy that we have who can dribble. To be a real point forward, you have to have some Kobe/MJ or some Lebron/Magic in ya.

    McGrady used to have that, but not now. It's way to easy to harass him without paying a price.
     
  19. Mr. Big Shot

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    Any news on when JJ is coming back from his injury? Im trying to come up with a reason to watch pistons games currently, but I can't. The guys that really have a ton of room to improve; Monroe, Daye, and Summers are ALL continually buried on the bench with sporadic minutes when they do get time.

    The worst part about it is that they are playing well, but still getting benched. Daye was great against Boston, Monroe has shown himself to be a hustle guy and a great rebounder, and Summers came in a couple games ago after many many games in street clothes and played great.
     
  20. BillLaimbeer

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    Jerebko won't be back until after the All-Star break. Terrico White could be back in about a month.
     

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