Discussion in 'February 2009' started by Dlev59, Feb 21, 2009.
And all I can say is: IT'S ABOUT TIME!!!!
The Streak is over!!! [strike]Susan Lucci has finally won[/strike] the Pistons finally stop there longest slide since 2002, and averted a potential 9 game losing streak which would have been their longest 93-94 season.
The offense was in sync >>especially in the second half and the defense did its job too. Both Hamilton and Stuckey had their best games shooting wise all month. Although it looks like Stuck had to be benched for a few mins in the first have in favor of Bynum to wake up and star going to the hoop. he still only had 1 assist, but he was 9/15 from the floor and got to the line 5 times.
Rip's verbal outrage about starting translated to the floor tonight...wonder if he is going to step up to be leader now...
Sheed only scored six points, but without his 10 boards and D on Howard we probably don't win, so thanks NBA for rescinding a couple of techs. Dice chipped in with 13 boards.
The magic only shot 4/19 from beyond the arc, so good job there of shutting them down there.
I will let others debate if the Pistons played better without AI. but to put it in perspective, currently the Lakers are 12-1 with out Bynum, Celtic 5-1 without KG, Spurs 2-0 without Duncan and Rockets 6-0 with out Tmac...
Looks like we do have the Magics number...I guess we need to play .500 ball to assure that we do get the 6th seed and knocked them off in the first round.
Don't forget Starbury.
Foul trouble saved us. To start the game, Sheed and Dyess were negative. To end the 2nd quarter, they were negative again. They did better in the 2nd half, going plus 4 to open the 3rd quarter before Sheed sat with his 4th foul - and held even in the 4th quarter - not counting the two free throws Rip got because Orlando had to foul to stop that clock.
In contrast to previous games, our combo of Sheed and Dyess did well - only being even for the game is a great improvement for them. First time they have done it. Anywhere near it.
Where did we win the game? Again, fortunately Sheed was in foul trouble. A combination of JMAX and Dyess, and then JMAX and Kwame, went on quite a run, giving us a double digit lead momentarily - and a bit of control on the game that we managed to keep.
And lets talk about how we kept that lead in the 4th. For a while, very predictably, Orlando was cruising down our middle unopposed for scores (since Sheed and Dyess were paired up) - but unexpectedly, hey, we hit shot after shot - mostly Rip - and kept the lead. Darn good shooting - no defense. Dangerous way to play.
Three players for us took turns being the scoring hero. Tay to start the game, then Stuckey, and Rip, well, kind of thruout the game. Thirty for Rip. Just hits those shots. And more, and more. He moves quick, gets open, and has plenty of height and ups to get shots over defenders when he has to do a bit of one on one. And he had a bunch of assists and some steals.
Stuckey got hot on midrange pullups, and got inside some with some fairly nifty looking moves. Scored 22 I believe. Tay got his 17 with a variety of shots, inside and out.
As the announcer noted, Tay being aggressive early took Turk out of his game. Good job Tay.
Afflalo played just a few minutes. While he was in, the announcers mentioned how solid the defense was looking all the sudden. In contrast, Orlando went on a 7-0 run shortly after Afflalo left the game. Curry does not seem to appreciate good D. This game is the first time we have won with Afflalo playing so few minutes.
Herrmann hit a triple. Not much else besides a couple of turns. Amir did not play. Bynum got in for a while in the first quarter, hit a shot. I think he also played a brief moment in the 2nd half.
Kwame played some good D on Howard. Just a bit in the first half, a bit more in the 2nd half. He should always play.
Sheed and Dyess held Howard in check well enough between them. Dyess got a lot of boards. Sheed did some inside scoring - Dyess only shot outside jumpers - made some. Toward the end of the game, Sheed took and missed a few threes, one he had to take cause the shot was running out. Fortunately, Orlando returned the favor by missing some threes themselves when they really needed two point scores.
Obviously, Orlando is a solid opponent. Good win. Heck, any win to stop an 8 game losing streak is priceless. But remember, we only won the game because we were lucky enough to have Sheed in foul trouble early in the 2nd quarter, letting that nice run we had happen. If things would have gone to Curry's plan, no way we would have won the game. I will still take the win of course, but I would rather it be from a game plan.
Cut them all.
That's what i thought through most of the early/mid 4th but towards the end they did step up. I've never seen Sheed move so fast to trap and recover since who knows when.
It's still irritating to see "the parting of the red sea" when Dyess/Sheed play together.
It would be nice to just see a quick big out there at all times. Dyess played 41 minutes. That;s sick.
Which is puzzling considering the words that come out of his mouth.
Best news of the night was a shot (not a gun shot) of a heavy lidded Walter Sharpe with his hand on his chin letting out a massive yawn. Do you believe in miracles?
Stuckey had his best game in forever and if you exclude the first quarter he probably did one good thing for every bad.
Kind of an odd game from Orlando. They didn't go straight into Howard that much.
Sheed seemed to do his best work on Lewis. Hit a lay-up also big fella. I guess that's the beauty of being more than a scorer though, you can help your team when your shot ain't falling.
The Pistons won a game playing Sheed and Dyess together against the burly front line of Howard and Lewis and without playing Amir.
Orlando looks like DET when they play the Pistons. The complain about everything. Nelson or no Nelson, they are not a very good team. They are soft too.
2Tough you are correct, they did look tough and gritty. They showed a lot of heart also.
Why did AI go back to DET if the MRI was negative? He's not going to play in Boston?
Funny thing about this game, the Magic opened the second qtr playing turrible..with their scrubs and we matched their awfulness so we could not move ahead. (The story of this season)..The Magic brought the A team back in and pulled ahead by 9 as we blew an opportunity IMO for the halftime lead.
The second half we played opposite and as Lee said we actually continued to hit on every possession eventually rolling out a 16-4 run, and then continued playing good D and relying on Rip and Stuckey hit good shots through to the end of the game.
Now those are the games we won the past couple of years...scoring about 90-94 points and holding the opposition below 90.
I know a lot of you are pre-programed to answer this, but didn't MC seem a lot more alive tonight like he was actually contributing something? He normally looks like Steve Burtt over there.
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Great win. Looked like the old Pistons out there - and thats not a slam on AI. Should be able to find a way to play him.
Sheed knows how to guard Howard. For that alone he is worth keeping.
With the Magic slipping and Ben Wallace out for the year - things are still open. Pistons just have to start winning.
They had a slew of fumbled passes, missed bunnies, free throws and dumb TO's (turnovers not time outs this time) in the first half. They had a chance to be up a decent amount going in at the half.
The possession where Stuckey got the bail out foul with no time left on the 24 in the first half was probably the worst possession of the year. That is saying something.
Kwame really gave them some decent minutes tonight. I think one of the biggest mistakes made this year was not making him the starting C and riding it out.
I agree - or at least riding it out with him in the rotation.
Yeah remember that possession in the second qtr where Sheed missed 4 taps/bunnies in a row...
Agree that Kwame should get more PT. He has sat on the bench long enough with the hand stretchers...Get em in there to bang and grab some boards.
Sheed had to have set some sort of record tonight for most times having the ball hit the rim without scoring. His rim hit to scoring ratio was 1005:1.
2 interesting quotes;
It's Magic: Richard Hamilton starts, Pistons win - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com
I don't really know what to make of that ?
Maybe Joe will be what Stuck needs to stay on track
I don't know except I want to thank you for not getting into it with any AI fans, and please keep it up. When AI is "healthy" again, there are going to be at least a few people who will Flip out on the Pistons (pun intended).
Also, thanks to Star Jones who was great in chat tonight even though I know she was feeling bad inside. Aurora, Star and NYPiston were holding court. Classy Ladies, or as we like to say, Classy Chassis (3rd comment down, it's a Detroit thing).
The problem with Kwame starting was not him - but the fact he was paired with Sheed. We got out to bad starts, and lost games. Just like we have been getting out to bad starts and losing games with Dyess and Sheed paired up. Both pairings - and you can add Dyess / Kwame if they ever go that way - mean we are too slow around the basket.
Yes, we could easily be among the league leaders right now - with Kwame as our starting center - but only if JMAX or Amir were starting along side Kwame. Kwame is a true big center - with lots of mobility for his size.
Sheed could come off the bench behind Kwame - and either JMAX or Amir could come off the bench to spell the other.
Dyess? Filler. Use him here and there, as needed. Maybe in some games, Kwame is just overkill - Sheed or Dyess could guard the guy he is guarding. So bring in Dyess - or Sheed, early to help spread the floor.
The game was won tonight in the 3rd quarter, with JMAX playing power forward along with a center. Pretty simple concept. A center, and a power forward paired up together.
The Pistons just beat two teams in a row. We should have won over New Orleans. Two good teams. What was new? Not Fabio, Amir, Afflalo, Sheed, etc. etc. or the coach, Curry. To put it another way, why does the offense suddenly have a flow to it?
Stuckey is still making too many turnovers and not settling for a little jumper now and again to change up on the defense but guess what, he looked like the guy of the future again.
Still not much outside shooting when you have to rely on Fabio to spread the floor.
Jmax had about 20 mostly uneventful minutes--check the box score. That problem of our aging bigs is still there. Dyss played his eyeballs out again. Good production. Sheed's game is just not what it was. But the two aging greats are still way better than our young bigs.
The team got out on their jump shooters again. While problems of the mix persist, the Pistons can still beat most teams.
AI can be an asset off the bench.
Stuckey, maybe Rip or Tay or both and probably Afflalo can be a core for next year awaiting some major additions.
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