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  1. detteam

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    I didn't see it either but I'm guessing Kwame is still suffering from small hands syndrome and Rip is still suffering from Josh Howard ankle
     
  2. raxrets

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    when cheerleader wilcox sits, kwame plays and vice versa.

    Rip? DTD; hopefully really DTD not month lasting DTD:cold:
     
  3. FreshPrince22

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    Man, West sure made Big Ben look his age tonight. Not that it's all on Ben, but West got them back/kept them in the game nearly by himself.

    We spent all of our "big shots" in the first half, and showed some serious back-to-back legs late.
     
  4. Blue

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    A lot of recaps talking about the defense so far, but I actually think this game was lost at the offensive end of the floor in the 2nd half. We went into halftime with 55 points and finished the game with only 87; that's only 32 points in the 2nd half. I agreed with Kelser's assessment. There was a lack of ball movement, and a lot of work on only one end the floor. As a result, guys (especially Stuckey) were forcing a lot of shots.

    I will say this about the defense though. In the first half we had a lot of points off of Hornets' turnovers, many of which were forced with our hustle D. In the 2nd half, that went away. Were the Hornets more careful with the ball or did the Pistons' hustle die out? Either way, we didn't have enough firepower to make up for it.
     
  5. raxrets

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    there is no need for fingerpointing or blaming "one" player or...because of this team plays like .500 team. It was the most common expectation here anyway.

    good and bad games happen.

    ...and trade talk...nothing happens before trade deadline, mark my words.
     
  6. Nemo

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    Let's see...Played good in the 1st half, but less than stellar effort in the second half. Ben looking his age. Rip injured again. Is the "switch" mentality creeping back in with Rip / Ben?
     
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    Looked like a tired team in the 4th qtr.
    Stuckey missed a few jumpers down the stretch that I felt very comfortable with him taking, win some/ lose some - make some/miss some.
    David West gave us the business, NOBODY could check him, NOBODY.
    No ball or player movement in the 2nd half at all, one of the dangers when you're "hot" in the 1st half, you develop alot of bad habits that carry over into the 2nd half, and if you cool off - game over.
    Glad to see some good stuff from Wilcox, I'd like to see him play more, many times the pick and roll with Ben is open, and we run it, and we give it to Ben (or Kwame) and they fail to finish. I think a P&R game with Wilcox could really be beneficial to us, we will be a much better team if GOOD CHRIS WILCOX ever shows up this season.
     
  8. dba

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    My fault. I was out for an early dinner and got home and started watching at the beginning of the second half when the wheels fell off. Sorry Sirs & Ma'ams.

    Lots of blame to go around.

    - Certainly Ben didn't look like the rejuvenated Ben we've been seeing. Could have been bad traveling, little tweak here or there, something...

    - 18-8 from CV isn't a bad night. Pretty good one in fact. Watching him play does make me wonder if he is the slowest player in the NBA. He's definitely bulked up over the years, he just has one of those bodies that doesn't show muscle definition as much as others, and while it hasn't impacted his shooting touch, but he is seriously unfleet of foot. The word lumbering was custom made for CV.

    - 15-6 from the rookies, but JJ still needs to get more shots. Even a decent game from Barney Rubble, and a nice assist game from Bynum.

    - 11-26 from Stuckey, which isn't too horrible (26 points on 26 shots), but 6-18 after he came back into the game in the second, and that is pretty horrible.

    NO figured him out and really ganged up on him in the second half. They adjusted and the Pistons were unable to. Tie that with West going off and it's a loss. When defenses close in on Stuckey he either forgets about passing or the rest of the team stops running. It's probably some of both, but Stuckey clearly is only comfortable passing the ball to CV.

    Time for Q to think about some adjustments, which I have no doubt he can, once he gets past the on-again-off-again Rip. Where's Arnie the wonder doc when you need him?
     
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    The biggest problems I saw from our PG's last night is their refusal to make the simple pass. I think the two are trying to increase their assist numbers in an effort to demonstrate their PG skills and unselfishness. But last night all they had to do was make a simple pass out of the double team, which would have resulted in ball reversal which is what we want. Teams really sell out defensively on our guards in a P&R because they know our bigs can't finish or shoot, they've gotta learn to take the trap and swing the ball, that would solve a big problem.
     
  10. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    This was minor stomach punch game last night. The Hornets looked so bad early on that I was close to coming in a half time and declaring the game over.

    As well as CV shot it in the first half, he was at best equally bad on D. I think David West could have taken his shirt off and run into the Gulf of Mexico for a swim and Charlie would have still been trying to front him.

    It is one thing to lack the physical tools to play D and another to just not know how to play.

    Ben has always been a better "help" defender than man defender. These last 2 games he has had to come out on the floor to defend.

    I think it is pretty good that Stuckey went for 26 points because there were many stretches of bad play from him.

    NO looks like they need a 2 guard.

    Anthony Randolph is supposedly being shopped. What would it take to get him? Is there a player on the team you wouldn't give up?
     
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    Silvertongue answers to this question in his latest mailbag:
     
  12. LA Dre

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    I have seen Randolph play in person a couple of times this season, and he reminds me Amir Johnson's second year....I would pass on him
     
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    Honestly, we probably couldn't get him. He's more valuable than anyone on this roster, given the "legit" trade scenario's I've seen involving him from this summer.
     
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    With Atkins at the point, who is absolutely not a point guard, what can anyone expect. Despite the announcers constantly chirping about how great Chucky is doing, he is not doing so great.

    On the turns, actually a lot of that was just unforced errors by N.O. Our defense caused some too, but not that many compared to them just being careless with the ball.

    (Also, N.O. took note of our weaknesses on defense caused by Atkins having no height to guard anyone, and the fact CV could not stop any of their bigs from scoring, and very efficiently exploited these facts. It was a good coaching adjustment by N.O. with no response at all from our coaching that did us in.)
     
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    Got a mate who is a GS fan, he's been following Randolf from the get go and got big, big raps on him.

    Like any GS fan, he's amazingly frustrated with the way they are run/coached, and reckon's if they trade Randolf and don't get an all star, it could be the camel that breaks the straws back and he would change teams.

    Been saying that he just needs more minutes, and in talking about his frustration over the trade talk he posted this quote:
    "In the five games this season in which he's played 30 or more minutes, Randolph has averaged 18.4 points and 10 rebounds. The Warriors won three of those games, including victories over Portland and Dallas."


    Obviously he wouldn't get those minutes at the Pistons, but I'd be extremely excited to get someone with his skill and athletic ability at a club where they have a record of developing talent.
     
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    I'm sure I'm on Lee's ignore list... but we have always agreed on Chuckie's lacking on both sides of the ball.
    He has changed his colors in that he's trying to act like a PG this year.. basically cause he doesn't possess the skills to attempt to be his former chucker self.
    We would have been better served going for a defensive specialist at PG.

    Nice guy... good for the clubhouse... no skills.
     
  17. LA Dre

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    Its similar to what we thought would have happen if Amir had been played meaningful minutes in his sophomore year. Once his confidence was shot and he was fouling every time he got in the game, even his stanches fans grew disenchanted with him.
     

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