At New Jersey January 31st, 7:30PM

Discussion in 'January 2007' started by Dlev59, Jan 29, 2007.

  1. LA Dre

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    A yawner after halftime. CB and Rip as well as the bench gave us some good minutes in the first half which was enough to have a 11 pt halftime lead. The starters extended that lead to 31 before we hit the end of the third quarter. CWebb and Tay led the third quarter assault.

    My only issue was that despite the huge lead, Flip didn't substitute in the third until 2 mins were left in the quarter. So even though the Pistons played last night, CB and Rip both logged 41 minutes and Tay 39!

    Sheed was the only player that did not score .shooting 0-7. :brick:
    But he did grab 6 boards and had 4 assists and a block. Even the forgotten Pistons Flip jr and Nazr (sporting an-end-of-the-bench beard) got in the scoring column, but just barely with 2 pts apiece. Both contributed their usual turnover and Narz ruined a near perfect night for the Pistons at the charity stripe by missing 4 straight FT's.

    The Pistons hit their first 27 FT's setting a franchise record before CWebb missed the second of two freebie. After that miss they hit six more straight before Nazr missed the last four attempts. So 33-38 for the night.

    The Brahma was in full affect showing that he didn't deserve the All-Star snub for super sophs. 5-8 shooting from the floor and the 52% FT shooter went 6-6 from the stripe. Team wise, we shot 55.2% from the field almost 89% from the FT line and grabbed 45 boards to the Nets 32.

    As for the Nets, they never looked like they were ever in it. Visanity missed his first 9 shots and Jason Kidd was 5-6 from the beyond the Arc and 0-7 from inside it?? Mikki Moore scored 18 points in the first quarter and 2 the rest of the game. :) If not for the Nets eleven 3 pointers, the final score of 113-89 would not have been that close.
  2. mercury

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    There were stretches in this game that we resembled the old Sac Kings with Divac & Cwebb... sending multiple cutters and backdoors... even Brahma was passing :^)... that Kings team wasn't quick or defensive oriented... just smart & excellent passers... I'm wondering if Cwebb is adding a chapter to the "encyclopedia".

    Maybe we can sign Micki Moore and save around 11M on Sheeds contract lol.

    Lindsey drank from the fountain again tonight (happens about once a month).

    The playbook works when they hit the open shots and defend.
  3. lapiston

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    Mercury,

    The Webber playbook works. When he gets the ball, things happen. And the Rip movement that was installed before the current regime--that works. Those two give us some fluidity and motion. We still do not pass much and the rest of the offense is basically one on one. The team did show that they are to be reckoned with despite the Washington thumping.

    Look at Sheed's shots tonight. Off balance at different points from the floor, not in rythym. We are really wasting his talent. Same with Prince. No role. With Chauncey, we never get the ball back to him and let him launch his three as a weapon. But two out of five in the offense can work with some defense (we held them 90 points).

    I knew the score and saw it on tape. We still give up open looks (too many) with the zone. We made Moore look like Kareem out there as he roamed in our hybrid zone in the 1st quarter. If Carter would kick the ball out, they would have scored more. The Suns make a living on betting that an open look three is better than a contested two. We give up a lot of open look threes--to every team we play. We need to curtail the zoning in the long haul.

    A good win, a needed win. The guys wanted to show everyone that they plan on showing up for the big run. Question, will we have the system (and coaching) to let them do what we all know they are capable of?
  4. TaS

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    I was in the mood for a blow-out. It really hit the spot.

    The 2 behind the back passes tonight were as good as it gets. And they were completely necessary.

    It's unbelievable to me how hard it was to keep the Nets from fast breaking a couple years ago. Now they don't seem to have that same energy level.
  5. 16 Mile

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    Flip says exhaustion is all in your mind, totally mental. As long as you don't think you're tired you won't be tired, 40+ mpg should not be a problem for anyone with mental toughness.

    BTW, Delfino-Brahma. Thread all its own. Carlos looks for the Bull, he FEEDS the bull, who else does that? Time for Flip to start understanding a word called CHEMISTRY!!!!!!!
  6. TaS

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    Yeah, that is a pretty stupid quote from a coach. If he doesn't understand the concept of fatigue, then why does he waste his time getting players in shape in practice? Maybe he just skips that part and has them attend a mental toughness class instead.

    I'd like to see him run a mile and then play some one on one with Rip Hamilton.
  7. KGREG

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    Maybe because Chuancey allows the clock to tick down to 5!!!!! before he finally gives the rock up. Maybe, just maybe if Big Shot would give the ball up early we would have enough time on the clock for the ball to move around and back to him.
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    Flip must have quite an imagination. He needs to have an imagination because that way he can pretend he has a championship ring.

    Keep dreamin' Flipper. :bored: :winner_first_h4h:
  9. lapiston

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    Kgreg.

    Totally agree. Chauncey holds the ball too long. I watched the Suns. I am not advocating their game but I wanted to get a comparison. They typically get 5 to 7 touches in their half-court game. A lot of perimeter shots but taken on purpose and in rythym.

    What they don't do is dump the ball inside (one pass) like we do (to Sheed or Tay) who are motionless, and let them work one one one or give it to Rip late in the clock and let him create. If they played offense like we do, their guys would have a lot of trouble scoring.

    Arenas torched us. We have a weapon as strong on the perimeter: Chauncey. We have three guys in the starting five who are not utilized to their strengths.

    With Webber, it may not matter as long as we can play defense.
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    I hear Arnie Kander has a tea leaf compress that does wonders for fatigue.

    Put one on all the major chakras, take an infinitesimal amount of duck liver, and let out six ounces of blood from your femoral artery, and you or I would make the average NBA starter look like a leaky Inflatable Defender.
  11. dba

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    Sprocket says…

    Pistons 113 / Nets 89

    Lesson one – it’s good to play a team coming off a West Coast trip.

    The Pistons score first, a defensive three second technical that comes about two and a half seconds into the game. The don’t miss from the line until about the four minute mark of the third quarter after setting a new franchise record of 27 straight makes.

    The first quarter is an odd one for the Nets with Vince Carter failing to score but Mikki Moore pouring in 18. Prior to tonight’s game Moore had scored 18 or more six times in his career. Rip puts in 11 in the quarter for the Pistons to keep pace, and fortunately for Detroit and unfortunately for New Jersey, Rip will eventually put in 13 more, but Moore is only good for two the remainder of the game (negating one of those with a technical).

    The Piston’s bench plays well in the second with Dice showing some range and rebounding well in traffic. Delfino also boards well and pushes the ball whenever he can, leading to a JMax thunder dunk around the six minute mark. Kidd missed his first three near the end of the half after having made four straight. But, too many Pistons free throws (19/19 in the half) and too many offensive boards put the Nets down by 11 at the end of the second. Rasheed fails to score in the half, but blocks several shots (only credited with one). Prince gets his first hoop on the last possession of the half.

    A basket by Rip and two from Webber back to back make up most of an 8-2 Pistons run that opens the third quarter, pushing the lead to 17 by the eight minute mark. Vince Carter gets his first hoop shortly thereafter, but the Pistons continue to hit their free throws, and the lead grows to 23 on a perfect behind the back pass from Webber to Prince for a jam. The quarter ends on another JMax dunk with the Pistons 29 for 30 from the line, the only miss from Webber.

    The beginning of the fourth sees the Nets make a bit of a run, opening 5-0. A timely timeout settles the Pistons offense back down and they outscore the Nets by ten over the next five minutes to eventually push the lead over 30. By now we’re well into garbage time marked by four Mohammed misses from the line followed by a turnover. It’s pretty boring for the Nets announcers too, who offer that Flip Murray is called Flip because he was a gymnast as a child.

    Prince, who manages a nice game after the slow start (13 points, 7 boards, 5 assists, and 2 blocks) and Hamilton (24 points on 8-13 shooting) play 33 minutes each, but no other Piston gets more than 25 (JMax).
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    Lesson One A - It is good to play teams missing two of their starters!

    Good to win, but the team has to make a run soon. String 4 or 6 good wins together.
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    maxiell had a great game defensively. he didn't over-rotate, and he was fearless. that block on the dunk attempt was INSANE - and the Nets player hurt himself as a result. the best was toward the end of the 2nd quarter: Vince Carter drove to the basket for a layup, but Maxiell came over and put his arm up, and Vince got scared and double-clutched and missed. Max intimidated and altered the shot, and he had great timing all night.

    Nice to see Delfino running fast breaks and that he actively looks for Max. Chauncey blew a wide-open dunk for Max on a semi-fast break...he just didn't see him open.

    It was also a pleasure to hear Blaha say 'No Free Chili'.

    New Jersey must have felt like we did after playing the Wizards. We stayed in the game early on free throws, couldn't miss a single one, and got a lot of beneficial calls from the refs. Kind of weird. Rip finally quieted down (apparently he vowed to shut up and not get another tech) and had a very nice game. None of our guys could miss really.

    Flip and Nazr were god-awful in their short stint at the end of the game. It almost looked like they were conspiring with each other to jack up bad shots and miss from the free throw line.

    Nice to see us get out to another early start. It's happened in every game we've started Webber, except for twice against Washington. This used to be a problem for us, but it seems like it's disappearing. Flip finally made nice adjustments and kept all of his starters to 33 minutes or less, while our bench chipped in 41 points and had a great game.

    Finally, it was nice to just relax for once in a game, watch us hit our shots, play good defense, stay aggressive, and dominate for an entire 48 minutes. We scored 30+ in the first 3 quarters and had 93 points after 3. Pretty sweet.
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    Best line of the night (watched the New Jersey telecast) was after the game, one of the Nets broadcasters says "We got smoked"
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    Great game. Went to the basket early and thus, free throws galore. 28 assist, 42 rebounds, kept turnovers down unlike the game against the Wiz and more importantly, the bench produced in the 1st half.

    If the bench produces like what they did in the 1st half, Flip Sr would not have to play the starters more than 38 min every game. The bench also grab 24 rebounds (Dice, Delf & Max) out of the total of 42 rebounds, just incredible. Hunter made some baskets, does that means he go scoreless for the next 8 games? LOL...:MusicBigGrin:

    If only Sheed had make some of his shots, DD getting some burn, Nazr making the FTs and Flip Jr did not jack up so many shots, this would have been a perfect game.:stirthepot:

    GO PISTONS!
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    I forget who he laid out last night, but what is it with Rip and these bodychecks he's putting on people? Couple of games ago he got a flagrant for one, and last night appeared to me to do the exact same thing but only got a foul call.

    Is he getting frustrated about how he's being played and just trying to make a statement? Or is his defensive understanding so skewed that he thinks a defensive player can lower his shoulder and just step in front of the guy dribbling the ball? (Kind of like Dice's by and large complete lack of understand about what the take-a-charge circle is for.)

    I did think the pick that laid Rip out last night was an offensive foul - Collins did lead into Rip to make contact - and the one they called later on Moore (I think) pretty clearly seemed to me to be a bad call the other way.
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    Rip thought he had the steal on the shoulder check. I don't think it was intentional.

    The refs definitely mixed up those 2 pick calls. It's a tough call to make, because they aren't always looking at the moment of contact. And 95% of the time, there aren't major collisions like those. The refs see a guy fall down and they have to quickly guess. Maybe they thought Rip was a flopper.
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    Finally rock the Nets to sleep. It's OVA Thorn.
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    Yes thats my thought. I will believe the Webber era when they are able to string together some consistancy instead of this Jekyl and Hyde stuff.
  20. Darth Tater

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    The inconsistency is to be expected at first. Then again, didn't Detroit win 25 of 26 when Aguire joined them? Then again, this is not the Bad Boys bunch. This team is more like the Bad Indigestion bunch.They contribute to it anyhow.

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