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  1. LA Dre

    LA Dre All-Star 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    Rockets hold Bulls to 77 pts without Yao in Chicgao tonight, but our allstar team could not? Rockets 84-77. Oh well I guess the Bulls get up for the Pistons like most teams do...
     
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    This was Chicago's 3rd game in 4 nights. All the Chicago guards were ice cold. Dead legs. Hinrich, his fell off on the 2nd of a back to back. Gordon's fell off tonight.
     
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    more review of game

    I have watched most of the game 3 times now. The 2nd quarter only twice. Will Blalock did not have a bad game. He was plus 4, and his defense was a large part of that. Blalock always manages to stay in the play. Good footwork. The opposing point guard never shakes him to gain room to operate. Also, Blalock got us quickly into our offensive sets, and had several potential assists. (shots just not made.) His most blaring mistake, an attempted pass to Maxiell inside, was not so blaring after all on review. I believe JMAX was being held on that play. He never got off the ground to make an attempt to catch the pass. Was it too high-even if it was, it was still a decent attempt to give Maxiell a dunk. I will always accept mistakes where an attempt at a score was made.

    Flip Murray in contrast to Blalock continually lost contact with the opposing point guard. Pretty much free reign for their points with Murray covering. Murray had truly horrible shot selection, although I will give him this: At least he took his open shots for the most part. Yes he bricked them, but at least he had the guts to take the open shot.

    The worst mistake of the game was Delfino's inbound pass that was nowhere near any Piston and gave Gordon a layup. But Delfino also hit some shots, took some charges, and pulled down rebounds. A far better game than Flip Murray had. Also, when Gordon was hot, we left Delfino guarding him, even though Murray was in the game. Tell me, if Delfino is the better point defender, then why does Flip Murray ever play at all?

    One more thing. Nope, Sheed not for a moment let up his effort in this one. They swarmed Tay any time he got the ball. Rip gave it his all until exhausted from getting no rest. And was making plenty of mistakes toward the end. Billups was sitting in street clothes. Flip Saunders made up a story.
     
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    Please name another NBA player in history who played 18+ minutes and had turnovers > to the sum of all his other stats (points + rebounds + assists + steals + blocks).

    I have reason to believe that this is the only time it has EVER happened. If that is indeed the case, then I must declare Will Blalock to have officially played the worst game in the history of organized basketball last Saturday against the Bulls.

    However, Flip Murray gave him a run for his money.
     
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    What's all the fuss with a late 2nd rnd PG thrust into a backup role? its great that he has the opportunity to play...which is more that can be said for Delfino, Maxiell, and Amir.
    What have we seen? He needs development time. He could be a good backup PG but he really isn't one now. Can he become one this season? I think its doubtful. I honestly think that given time and opportunity, he'll be there by his 3rd season. Can he get some game time and not kill us...hells yes. But he's not the guy to carry you for 15 minutes a game. Its more like, we're in control of this game, blalock get out there. If the team is clicking and he goes out there, he'll look ok. He does the little things that help out. But if the team is not, he's not the guy to rally the troops, yet.

    Its too bad Flip hasn't taken advantage of his opportunity. I really didn't think having CB AND LH out so early would ever happen. Instead of proving he should start, he's battling the rookie to see who sucks less.
     
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    It's important to remember that Will is only making $412,718, the absolute lowest league salary. Just over half of what Dupree makes.
     
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    I don't dislike the guy at all. I just think somebody needs to contradict the assertion that he just had a good game, when in fact he did not. Just keeping it real.

    And then once I got into it, I stumbled accross the possibility that he produced a statistical anomaly. It's not often that you set records in the NBA with all the games played.

    And by my calculations, Will did something that hasn't been done in over 1.5 million attempts.

    (Also, remember that Blalock is getting about $137,572 per field goal.)
     
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    are you sure? i think it happens a LOT. and to decent guys too. I had a bunch in fantasy league.

    But my tirade wasn't on you. just in general.

    I'll find some staty things.
     
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    Ah yes. Ben Wallace FT money. :)
     
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    A large part of the problem there was floor spacing. He was about to get a 5 second violation, dice looked like he was moving towards the outside to open himself up, but then he cut in towards the traffic near the basket. Delfino threw it as Dice cut, and that was that.
     
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    This would be a good question for Elias Sports Bureau. The come up with the goofiest stats imaginable.

    Getting turnovers >= all good stats in 18+ minutes doesn't seem all that unusual. It's just really ugly stats for one game. I bet there's a player who did it in an All-Star year.

    Here's another one from earlier this season:

    DeShawn Stevenson, 11/22/06:
    19 minutes, 0 points (0-7 shooting), 1 rebound, 1 assist, 1 steal, 3 turnovers and 4 fouls.
     
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    These are pretty funny.

    The formula seems to be perimeter defensive specialists who happen to miss all their shots. They don't get rebounds because they are stuck on the perimeter. They don't get steals or blocks because the other team avoids challenging them.

    Seems like Bruce Bowen was born for this stat. Research team?

    Also, we have found players who's turns = the sum, but we haven't found any who exceed it.

    Still, if we have 3 examples from the last 2 months, then it must be a very common occurance.

    In light of all this, I will upgrade my characterization of Blalock's game from "worst ever" to "exceptionally futile." My apologies to Mr. Three-hundred-fifty-six.
     
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    if you play fantasy basketball, you can see this happen and you remember it cuz you go :jaw: and your jaw hurts.

    its rare but it happens but I was looking around and it didn't happen as much as i thought.
     
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    Defensive specialists tend to do a little rebounding - Bruce Bowen doesn't, but most of them hustle a bit. I think a player like Jalen Rose or Adam Morrison would pick up that kind of statline more frequently - or maybe a shoot-first rookie point guard.
     
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    You have to miss all your shots to have a chance at this dubious phenomenon.

    Morrison had horrendous games but genrally did enough other things to avoid this.
     
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    The Collins twins (Jason and Jaron) aren't defensive specialists and definitely don't hustle, but I know that in their 5+ years in the league they have probably had several stats lines like that and one of them starts...:)
     
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    The thing is, the Collins twins never have the ball in their hands long enough to turn it over, and both of them are decent - not as good as they should be, but not pathetic - rebounders, so unless they got called for a ton of illegal picks or 3-second violations it would be hard to put up those numbers.

    I'd bet that Darko will achieve that distinction sometime in his career.

    Edit: Nazr did it in 12 minutes earlier this season:
    Nov 11 @ GSW L 111-79 12 0-0 0-0 0-2 0 1 1 0 0 0 2 3 0

    Earl Boykins managed to put this up - it doesn't qualify, but somehow it looks even worse:

    Nov 28 vs. MEM L 96-108 15 0-5 0-1 0-0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0

    Michael Curry's retired, but they didn't call him "Binary Man" for nothing.
     
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    Yes yes. Nazr proved that it is phsyically possible to exceed the threshold (2:1) in this example. If Flip would have played him another 6 minutes that night, a rebound or two would have probably found him and spoiled it.
     

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