At Chicago Bulls March 24th, 8:00 PM

Discussion in 'March 2009' started by Dlev59, Mar 19, 2009.

  1. roscoe36

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    The problem wasn't Kwame, Amir or Hermann.

    With so Rip Sheed and AI out, Tay has to step up.

    Tay is not a big game player. Dice outworks and outperforms him. It's not cool.
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    Only watched the last 10 minutes of the game, was impressed, fun to watch this last 10 minutes of GT game which full of efforts and energy by everyone on the court. Byrum, like Maxiel, by my senses, has kind of Ben look in his body language.
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    I agree with Tay stepping up and I'm not saying Hermann not playing or Amir playing would have won us this game. Ultimately it comes down to the players and they just didn't win today, but the coach is supposed to put us in the best position to win and he did not do this today. When I see Hermann out there today running around doing absolutely nothing and letting players get to the rim, shoot up and over him I can not say Curry put us in the best position to win. He killed that run we had going at the end of the 4th.
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    Wow the way this team is looking right now, it looks they're going to be stumbling to the finish line...(if they even make it there lol)
  5. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Did Sheed strain his calf or get shot in it?

    Walt Sharpe with a forward driving lay-up tonight. DET is a much tougher team when he goes reverse glass.

    What are the chances Rip & Sheed play Thursday? Good grief.
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    I am with you Ernie....get back to the court Sheed. He looked fine to me. I dont know about the clothes though. Could use a stylist. lol
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    Tell us how you really feel. Come on. :diablo: Seriously though, I agree with you. I must admit I'm a Herrmann hater. I never could see what the big deal was about him; so he played Dirk tight once, big deal. Never happened again. His D is atrocious. For a coach who claims to value defense to continue to go to him, that's a big red flag to me.
    And as you and LP stated, Amir is the perfect matchup for Tyrus and Noah.
    Maxiell had 0 rebounds for the game; can't have that from your PF. Amir had 6 in 10 minutes. heck, Will Bynum, a guard had 4. He's just so inconsistent.

    Tayshaun really isn't a big time player, he's more like a shrinking violet. He'll step up once in a while, and he'll be real good for stretches, but he's not a go to guy.
  8. Lee356

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    Curry is running a comedy show, not an NBA basketball team. And the joke is on us fans.

    Walter Herrmann is surely, by all accounts, a great guy. And as many of us know, he has had one heck of a bad run of luck in his personal life. But hey, an NBA basketball player he is not by any means.

    On a fast break, where is Herrmann? He can't catch up to the play. In the half court, where is Herrmann? Arriving too late to do a thing. What if Herrmann ends up trying to guard a guard on the perimeter? Herrmann is not quick enough to begin to do the job. It is an absolute comedy that Curry puts this guy into NBA games. Yes, Herrmann made some shots, scored 9 points. But he gave up so many more - and made us as a team look clownish on defense.

    Is Curry being ordered to play this guy? Why did Dumars resign this guy after last season? Not only does playing Herrmann make Curry look like a complete amateur as a coach, it calls seriously into question the ability of Dumars to GM.

    This subject, the playing of Herrmann, a guy completely lacking in the speed, and in quickness, needed to be called an NBA player, far overrides anything else that happened in this game. It does not even fit anything I have seen in all my years of watching the Pistons. Never has a guy this slow been allowed to get minutes. I mean, Curry himself was the worst case I have witnessed before, and even he could move quite a bit faster than Herrmann. (Of course, Curry was much smaller, so size for size, they were both pretty darn slow - but still, this playing of Herrmann is even more rediculous. As slow as Curry was, he did actually know what he was doing on defense.)

    Now beside all that, not that the rest is all that important:

    Bynum showed up Stuckey in every aspect of the game tonight. Several people have called for Stuckey to replaced by Bynum. I won't do that yet, as I believe Stuckey has been majorly overplayed this year, and is slowed from all the minutes put on his body. But right now, at this moment, yes, to get some wins now, I'd put in the much fresher player, Bynum, and let Stuckey chill for a spell.

    Bynum hit his outside shots, and got to the rack often with seeming ease. And what a pest he was on defense.

    Tay had 6 assists and 20 points. Yes, I peaked at the boxscore. Wanted to see what the stats show after reading from some how bad he did. Not too bad. He does often look listless, tired. But Curry has overplayed him to the max. Can't expect much more from a guy who is dead tired.

    Dyess. Good outside shooting. Went inside some. His outside shooting did us precious little good since he overdid it. His outside shots never draw fouls, never put him in position to rebound. I call it laziness. No, not because he is tired. Lazy. You don't like criticism of Dyess - tell him to go inside. Chicago ain't nothing on interior D, and you are trying to tell me Dyess can't go inside on this team? Maybe its the coach telling him to keep shooting all those outside shots. I got to believe that, since I hate to think bad about a swell guy like Dyess.

    Stuckey did not have that bad a game. He scored here and there, played ok D. Its just that the team looked pretty darn disorganized with him running the point. But gee, Dyess and Tay are worn our. Stuck himself is worn out. Kwame has been iced much of the year. Afflalo, a fine defender, is not a guy right now you go to and tell him to create scoring. What does that leave him? Pretty much nothing. For what little resources Curry gives him, he does ok. Its just that Bynum vastly overplayed him with pretty much the same resources. (And again, look how darn fresh Bynum is in comparison, light, occasional minutes all season long.)

    Afflalo missed his first 6 shots. That was all first half. He made a layup late. A couple of the shots were open. Several of the shots were with the bench in, with nobody being a scorer. (Bynum, Afflalo, Herrmann, JMAX, Kwame.) It did not exactly put this defensive specialist in good light.

    JMAX did not get a rebound. But he did help our rebounding here and there, getting some slap outs. He played good D. Far and away better D than whoever between Kwame and Dyess you want to call our power forward when those two were paired up. With two centers paired up, Chicago often found that there was no defensive rotation around the basket. Perhaps they scouted us? No, would a team do that?

    Let me make that clear. As a power forward, JMAX played fine D.

    Now, Amir got in the game in the 2nd half as our power forward, and outshone JMAX hugely. Man he was doing good. So of course, Curry sat him down. This was such an easily winnable game for any coach who had any NBA coaching experience. Or even was capable of paying attention as an assistant coach the one year he did that. All we had to do was pair up a power forward with a center the whole game. Thats it. Why is Kwame starting again? No reason. Not this game. No way Chicago is playing that huge a front line we need two centers.

    Kwame got plenty of bounds. Hardly took any shots. Made his free throws. Still the same old line drives. But they go in now.

    In analyzing this game, and I ain't going to bore you with all the details, the main thing I see is Curry is managing to misuse every player he has. It seems he is planning by deciding what is the worst possible position to put my players in. I think he lost it long ago. Do something Dumars. Please, please, save this franchise the further embarrassment of letting this guy coach games.

    Edited to add further ragging on Herrman's game:

    Its not just that he can't get back to defend in transition.

    If we are on a fast break, Herrmann can't keep up with the play. This is so glaring I simply can not believe my eyes. Herrmann is not just just slow as in no quickness, he can't even run fast enough in a full sprint to qualify as an NBA player.

    Now some may wonder why I hate seeing this from Herrmann, the inability to even keep up with the NBA game in terms of speed and quickness. Well, hey, I review each game, so I see it all at least twice as often as the next guy. Gets pretty old.
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    Whats with the Hermann hate!, 9 points on 4-7 shooting and 4 boards! all in 13 minutes. His D is poor but it's not costing us games.
  10. Lee356

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    How many points would you estimate Herrmann gave up for lack of D?

    Next, ask how many of those shots would have been made if other players had taken them?

    Lets just say that out of the 7 shots, we only hit 3 of them, instead of the 4 we got. So Herrmann gave us an extra 2 points. Want to say we just would have hit one of the 7, you know, give him every benefit of the doubt? So now we scored 6 more points because he shot the ball.

    So did he give up more than 6? What do you think? ( I estimate 12 points he gave up for simply not being able to provide even basic NBA defense, but I will be glad to hear if you have a different count.)
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    Lee, I think in your focus on Hermann, you are missing the horrible flat footed help defense Kwame does not provide.

    I've never seen a big man do that much ball watching.
  12. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    To think that Herrrrman and his 10-15 minutes of play is somehow responsible for losing the game is ridiculous.

    Who is responsible for the other 87 odd points CHI scored if Walt gave up 12 which I don't think he did?

    Unless they're playing a girls team I don't think there is a good match-up for Amir.
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    Micro, I write up the fact Kwame is not a power forward, what, maybe a hundred times this season so far.

    Oh I get it. You are being sarcastic. Have a great night.
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    This is pretty ridiculous and irrational we can sit here and theorize as too why the pistons did not win this game and blame it on rotations and Walter Herrmann, but to me that's ignoring reality the fact is this team is not that good, Hell we shot 30% for most of the second half maybe if we had Herrmann in more we would have won. :eyebrows:

    Speculation is silly.
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    So gee Ernie, I almost detect an opinion here. How many points do you think he gave up? (PS, I was being very nice using the 12 point figure.)
  16. Ernie the Slow Adult

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    Individually? I would say 4-6. I remember Hinrich scoring on him once and I'll guess there was one or two more. To act like they iso'd him his whole time on the floor is wrong.
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    Walt Sharpe would have had 96 points and 48 rebounds if he played the whole game. I think this kid has star written all over him!
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    Did you tape the game? He gave up 6 in one 60 second stretch alone. Please take time to review the game if you can.

    Or you can just wait and see what the rest of the people have to say who watched the game.

    Anyone else want to give their guess? I say 16 points.
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    Lee, as you get older, your capacity to make me smile increases all of the time.

    Have a good night.
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    IF fate of Pistons hinges on 10-15 min played by Herrmann, it can mean only one thing: this team is really bad.

    :bs:

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