At Chicago Bulls Feb. 10th, 8:30 PM

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  1. Ernie the Slow Adult

    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    Watching the Bulls broadcast last night they gave the Pistons starting line-up 5 different times, I think, first with AA starting, then Rip, back to AA, then Rip before rolling with AA. I don't think this was the TV crews fault either.
     
  2. TaS

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    Here are our defensive rebounders per 36 minutes:

    Dyess: 8.3
    Sheed: 7.3
    Brown: 6.9
    Amir J: 5.2
    Fabio: 4.8
    Prince: 4.7
    JMax: 3.9

    So, if you need a defensive rebounder, it's Dyess, Sheed, or Kwame.

    But, if you need an offensive rebound, it is much different:

    Amir J: 4.4
    JMax: 4.3
    Dyess: 3.8
    Brown: 3.0
    Fabio: 1.8
    Prince: 1.6
    Afflalo: 1.0
    Stuck: 0.9
    Sheed: 0.9

    Amir is 5 times the offensive rebounder that Sheed is!


    So, this all combines for total rebounding rate of:
    Dyess: 12.1
    Brown: 9.9
    Amir J: 9.5
    Sheed: 8.2
    Maxiell: 8.2

    Overall, Maxiell and Sheed are the same. Brown does his job and is underrated on the boards. With all Amir's offensive rebounding ability, Brown still does a slightly better overall job on the boards.

    But the good news is that we have defensive rebounding specialists and offensive rebounding specialists. Pair them together and you have something special.

    One more thing to consider. When a guy is on the court, he may be doing things to help team rebounding when he isn't actually getting the rebounds himeself. This includes boxing out, tipping the ball out, playing better defense and causing misses, etc.

    So, let's look at how the team rebounds when each player is in the game.

    Total rebounding (% of available rebounds grabbed by Det)
    Dyess: 52.9%
    JMax: 52.3%
    Amir : 51.4%
    Brown: 50.8%
    Sheed: 48.9%

    Sheed is the only one, where we get rebounded by the other team when he's in. He's in the most.
     
  3. roscoe36

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    TaS, that is a brilliant post.

    Front page.
     
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    Cool.

    Just goes to show that a big strong guy willing to mix it up is an incredible asset. Now imagine if Kwame corralled half of the boards that fly off his hands. With this rebounding rate and taking into account how many he gets his hands on and doesn't end up with, he must be in the mix almost every time a shot comes off the rim. That takes a serious willingness to bang.
     
  5. TaS

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    Kwame's a big dude and he's hard to dislodge. It probably take 50% less effort for him to hold his position compared to Dyess, Amir, and Maxiell.

    If Kwame had great hands, he wouldn't be considered a bust and wouldn't be on our team.

    It's sort of like when you are in a crowded neighborhood and you find a parking spot, only to discover that it isn't a real spot. You think to yourself, "this should be a spot, it's not really a driveway." However, if it were a real spot, someone would have already parked there and you'd still be out of luck.
     
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    PLEASE PLEASE PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESE TELL ME...WHY?????????
     
  7. OLD SKOOL HQ

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    I'LL read the posts tonight when I go to work, but what happened to me (and other NBA League Pass'rs) is we got the Chicago feed. it was a 60 min halftime, so my DVR didnt get the whole game. I went off the air with a nice 14 pt lead having tired from a 3rd qtr where the Bulls announcers and Pippen went 6 MINUTES without ONE PLAY BY PLAY! then i had to endure 98 yr old Dolph Scahyes, who sounded like the voice I assume Roscoe has, BORE me to sleep. This was the worst game of the year and in PROTEST, whatever the nEXT game is I REFUSE to watch!!
     
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    Very funny. :pound::pound:


    unless Roscoe is reading this....then, that wasn't very nice, HQ. You should apologize...
     
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    I think the tribute to Johnny "Red" Kerr made the game last too long and caused the free fall at the end.
     
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    I wish I sounded like Cookie Monster. I bet the chicks dig that voice.
     
  11. TaS

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    I'm glad someone else experienced this. It was brutal. Seemed like it lasted 2 hours. Unfortunately, I was watching it live, so I caught the end of the game too, to cap off the worst broadcast of the year.

    Dolph Shayes has a pretty cool name though, so that makes up for his weird voice.
     
  12. lpgrl26

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    Maybe we should all switch to the trade Amir bandwagon. Is he ever going to get a fair shot?

    This season would be so much easier to deal with if we were actually play the future players when it matters and ironically would be probably result in many more wins.

    I really think it might be possible for Curry to go the whole season never realizing that his 4th quarter line-up is killing us.

    The lead evaporates literally 2-3 min after the sub is made.
     
  13. TaS

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    There are still 7 teams that perform worse in the 4th quarter than us.
    (Ind, Min, Sac, OKC, Mem, LaC, Was). What company!

    Our 1st and 3rd quarters are money.

    If only there was a way to play the 4th quarters like we play the first quarters.
     
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    That is the best excuse so far as to why the Pistons lost. I wonder if that is what Curry told Joe on the plane ride home...

    Joe: "Mike, WTF happen out there tonight?"J

    Curry: "Well boss, man they good and we aren't used to sitting this long.. I think the long halftime delay affected our legs. Don't you remember last season when we had the long delay honoring our 50 greatest and we came out and stunk up the palace."

    Joe: "Ok, so who are you starting tomorrow?"

    Curry: "Not sure..who are we playing again?"
     
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    Oh my God, watching that game last night was MURDER! I do not want to say anything bad about some old dude named Red that I never heard of, but for god's sake, pay SOME attention to the game at hand. Those announsers never said a freakin word about what was going on in the 3rd quarter, not one word and I am not exaggrating. And we were doing good too. The camera was on them more than the players. It was hard to keep the sound on,I swear. If we could have gotten the win, it would have been a little easier to bear. I thought we had it too.
     
  16. lpgrl26

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    Curry blames Amir/Max for the CHI loss citing rebounding and them not playing "well". Of course he obviously fell asleep when Amir held TT in check, and the fact that TT has a major height advantage on Max and it was a bad sub on his part. And he doesn't realize that we were outrebounded in the 4th quarter.

    He says he refuses to blame Dyess/Sheed who played "well"

    PISTONS: True Blue Pistons
    He doesn;t get it. Just fire him already.
     
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    Fine with me, but you must admit that one defensive board in 33 minutes ain't exactly getting it done and inspiring confidence for more playing time.
     
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    2 things:

    #1 I am not sure what the Bulls Shooting % was but when they are getting open jumpers and blowing by the guards for lay ups; there won't be many defensive rebounds to get.

    #2 What is more important; a defensive rebound or an offensive rebound.


    The problem is not with Sheed or Dice individually. The problem is having them out there together. Need to break that pairing up and play an old and young "big" together at all times to take advantage of the young athleticism and the veteran presence/scoring.
     
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    So Amir's +13 would have been more like +20 if he would have grabbed more defensive rebounds?

    And Dyess's -22 would have been -30 if he wouldn't have?

    Here's how I see it.

    We outrebounded the Bulls 14 to 11 in the 1st quarter with Amir.
    We outrebounded the Bulls 10 to 7 in the 2nd quarter with Maxiell.
    We outrebounded the Bulls 11 to 8 in the 3rd quarter with Amir.

    In the 4th quarter, with Sheed and Dyess getting 21 minutes, we were slaughtered on the boards by a 5 - 16 margin.

    So, we were +9 in rebounding in the quarters where MC was disappointed with our rebounders and -9 in rebounding in the one quarter where MC was satisfied with the trusty vets.

    Here is the combined stats for Dyess and Sheed in that 4th quarter.

    Min: 20:40
    FG: 0-2
    Reb: 3
    Ast: 0
    Blk: 1
    Stl: 0
    TO: 1
    PF: 4
    Pts: 2
    Airball chokes: 1

    If all 4 quarters would have been that glorious, we would have lost the game 68 to 144.
     
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    Thank you. I was wondering what this stat was.
     

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