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  1. Lee356

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    Atlanta, with a good coach, chose to rest their star for a good long stretch in the 2nd quarter. Our coach, a completely clueless one, never heard of the idea of leaving something in the tank for the 4th quarter.

    Would playing Mohammed more help? Nope. Not playing him at all would help though. Ditto for Flip Murray. Dyess? Quetionable of late. Which begs the question, who should play.

    Maxiell, absolutely, and he could play both forward positions. If Maxiell played 35 minutes in this game, that could have meant 10 more minutes of rest for Tay, 10 for Rip, with Delfino playing more shooting guard shooting guard, and Sheed also being rested by JMAX some.

    And Delfino could play a lot more. As could Blalock. We have no lack of quality players. Just a coach who can't help overplaying his starters. Not because he believes in wearing his starters out. Because he chokes, game after game, and forgets any plans he made before the game began.
     
  2. jzchen

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    Also meant that some high school basketball team without a coach beating up some college team with an offensive minded coach and has no clue on what he's doing. Forget about whatever trade. As long as the coach gets fired, we will be a better team.
     
  3. lemonpen

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    The timing of this sudden shift in starters, rotation and minutes smells like showcasing to me. Funny thing is, the trade target is usually the guy not playing. Can't risk having an injury muck up the super secret plans I guess.

    I recall EC sitting for a suspiciously long time before being traded to Utah.
     
  4. himat

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    I'm going to take the positive spin on things:

    The Pistons are just struggling. They are showcasing Dale Davis, which means they are interested in C-Webb. The Pistons don't have that motivated guy, but Chris would change that. If we were to get Chris Webber, a package of Flip and Dale could get the Pistons a nice PG.

    As for the game the coaching sucks. Whenever we got the ball to Sheed something good happened. When Tay was running the offense good things happened. Flip needs to make use of these things. If I was Sheed I would be pissed off right now. He gets criticized for his jumpshots. When most of that is because Flip never makes him go inside on a play. We will win today by a lot.
     
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    Why would Webber be more motivated than Davis, who has gone further in the playoffs than Webber ever has but has never won a championship? Davis has always played with far more passion and fire than Webber could imagine having.
     
  6. MotownPride

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    To the naked eye, this game has complete embarrassment written all over it. The Pistons, one of five teams in the league with a winning road record, certainly did not look their best last night without Chauncey Billups. Still, how could a championship contender lose to an undermanned bottom feeder team, you might ask?

    Well, boys and girls…

    All I can say is that on any given night one team can beat another team if they get hot. Let’s dig in.

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]1st Quarter[/FONT]

    The game started off with a couple of surprises. Dale Davis got the start this time around with Nazr now apparently regulated to the bench. Sheed made his return to the starting rotation as well. But, the biggest change appears to have been on Atlanta’s roster. Josh Smith is back!

    ...and the former dunk champion was definitely ready to let his presence be known. Josh pumped up his team early by finishing on an alley-oop reverse jam at the opening tip off. He followed that up with strong rebounding, vigorously challenging shots and finishing plays with a degree of difficulty that separates him from most players in the NBA. This set the tone for the rest of the team defensively. The Hawks played beautiful basketball shooting 78% from the field seven minutes into the game on hot jump shooting and great ball movement. Many of the shots were contested, but these Hawks would not be denied this quarter. Joe Johnson would finish as Atlanta’s high scorer for the quarter with 11 points.

    Detroit on the other hand did not see much success on either side of the ball at the beginning of the quarter. Rip's number was called first as he appeared to still be riding the hot shooting and aggressive scorer’s touch we’ve seen since Chauncey injury. He was the only Piston whose shot appeared on as they hovered around the 29% FG mark for most of the first quarter. Surprisingly, with Atlanta’ lack of a legit big man in the middle, (Pachulia currently injured) most of the Pistons shots came from the perimeter. The only close shots to the basket we seemed to get were off Flip Murray isolation plays. One possession showed 4 Pistons on the perimeter with only Nazr in the post. Atlanta was running what looked like a 2-3 Zone and it ended with Sheed settling for a mid ranged jump shot. Flip Sr. then made his first big adjustment of the quarter at the 2 min. mark and brought in Blalock for Flip Murray. Upon his arrival the first 3 offensive possessions were dumped inside with limited success. The Pistons ended the quarter down by 5 points.

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]2nd Quarter[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Delfino started the second quarter for Prince. Delfino spent most of the quarter guarding Joe Johnson who remarkably did not attempt a shot in the quarter after a hot start. Dice entered the game and provided little help. The combination of Dice and Davis was exploited quickly as Atlanta capitalized on a weak finish by Dice (finger roll when he should have finished strong) and their inability to run the court fast enough to challenge the break. Atlanta seemed to always have at least 3 players on the court that were athletic enough to run the break convincingly. The Hawks stopped relying on jump shooting this quarter and instead focused on inside play. Their 54% Field goal percentage was especially impressive as they currently lead the league in worst field goal percentage with 43.7%. Flip Sr. soured on Dice early and we really only saw him for 8 mins tonight. If felt for Sheed and Davis as the guards constantly allowed dribble penetration. It was like watching a goalie get bombarded with shot attempts. Where's the first line of defense?[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Delfino, although his shot went south, was again very agressive attacking the boards and showed great court vision finding holes in Atlanta’s defense while exploiting them with razor sharp passes to Dale Davis on countless occasions. His contribution brought the Hawks lead back to single digits. The most telling stat of the game was the amount of help Delfino got from the rest of his bench mates. None. Atlanta’s bench outscored Detroit 22 to 3 by halftime.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]3rd Quarter[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Although Delfino appeared to be the catalyst for the 2nd quarter rally, Flip Sr. returned to his starters for the beginning of the 3rd. Flip Sr.’s half-time adjustments appeared to be working early on as Sheed established himself in the post and Flip Murray did a better job distributing the ball (4 assists in the 3rd Quarter). Once Flip Murray started to miss defensive assignments again, he was substituted by Delfino. Delfino responded positively with more aggressive scoring, strong defense and some assists. Tay started to heat up from the 3 point line and would eventually finish with 4 three pointers for the game. Surprisingly, we don’t see J-Max make his first appearance until the last 6 mins of the third. Maxiel runs the court well and scores a bucket, but unfortunately does not see any more time in the game once the 3rd quarter concludes. All of this work would go for not though as Joe Johnson would continue to heat up to the tune of extending his streak of unmissed shots to 10 for 10. His supporting cast of Marvin/Sheldon Williams, Childress and Stoudamire heat up as well and torch the Pistons in the closing minutes.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Detroit[/FONT][FONT=Times New (W1)] ended the quarter with a higher overall field goal percentage, 41%, but Atlanta was still shooting an impressive 56% from the field. The Detroit bench continued to be outscored 32 to 7.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]4th Quarter[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Down by 9 points, the Pistons started the 4th quarter double teaming Joe Johnson and surprise..surprise… Delfino is running the point. Delfino appears to be doing well, but after making a poor decision is immediately substituted for Flip Murray. Like most fans, I’m thinking come on Flip Sr., give Delfino a shot, but Flip Sr. ulitmately proved to be the wiser. The Pistons respond with a 7-2 run with Flip Murray playing excellent basketball. He distributed the ball well to the tune of 8 assists. Joe Johnson continues to light it up going 11-11 until he misses a shot 2 mins into the 4th quarter. Jeesh! The Hawks start executing off great ball movement and controlling the pace of the game, so Flip makes the decision to go small ball (Delfino, Flip, Rip, Prince, Sheed). It still doesn’t slow down Atlanta and in a fit of frustration over a questionable foul call, Rip has a brain malfunction and does his best impression of “Stop, Drop and Roll”. He gets a tech…Sheed then gets upset and draws a tech as well….and now we are down by 8 points. If that isn’t a mental collapse I don’t know what is. Despite Atlanta getting 3 straight offensive rebounds at the 3 min mark and Detroit losing its composure…the Pistons still were in the game.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]The defining moment came off a Flip Murray possession. Just prior Flip had made several clutch drives to the basket to keep the game in reach. With under a minute left, Flip allows the ball to roll in order to save time on the clock. We were only down by 3 with 50 seconds left! It wasn’t necessary. He clumsily kicks the ball, grabs it before it is taken by the defender or bounces out of bounds, and then proceeds to rush a pass to Rip. Rip is unable to get control of the ball and we get a turnover. On the next Pistons possession, Flip tries to drive to the basket again but is rejected emphatically by Josh Smith. Josh Smith follows that up with a three at the other end of the court and seals the game.[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Post Comments:[/FONT]

    [FONT=Times New (W1)]So why did we lose?[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Joe Johnson’s unbelievable shooting 11-11 without a miss. 34 points for the game.[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Great ball movement by Atlanta and hot jump shooting[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Bench domination by Atlanta[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Marvin Williams near triple double (12 pts, 7 asts, 9 rebs)[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Josh Smith’s defensive domination[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Failure to execute in the stretch (We miss you Chauncey)[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Positives[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Delfino’s breakout playmaking ability [/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Dale Davis’s double double with a shocking 7 offensive boards[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Tayshaun appears to have his shooting touch back[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Loss may push Joe’s hand to sign Webber/MoPete/Wells[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Flip Murray is being showcased in a positive light for a possible trade[/FONT]
    • [FONT=Times New (W1)]Pistons won the points in the paint battle[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Pistons Player of the game – Rip Hamilton[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Pistons Unsung Hero – Dale Davis/Carlos Delfino[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New (W1)]Pistons You suck award - Dice[/FONT]
     
  7. TheeTFD

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    JZ that was a good post until you went "Sportsham". Embarrassing. Shameful.
     
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    We won the points in the paint battle? Then it was a victory. Chauncey didn't chuck any 3s? Then it was a victory.
    Fino should've been running the point on offense all along. Flip should be subbing for Rip only and be allowed to shoot.
    Double D has shown nothing but the ability to contribute yet can't break the rotation.
    Flip Saunders Sucks.
     
  9. roscoe36

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    Great recap Mo. That last minute was nefarious and felonious.

    A veteran team should have been able to manage that so much better. You saw zero composure and little court sense.

    Time and score are fundamentals. We have a problem with fundamentals.
     
  10. LA Dre

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    Great recap and summary Mo. Your comments above are the ones that stick out the most to me because the Pistons never appear to exploit the shortcomings of the opposition's middle and will continue to take the perimeter shots. Either the coaches fail to recognize it or the players ignor the coaching....

    In addition we continue to have a drop off in second qtr. Some nights we can't get any hoops, but on most nights we can't stop the opposition from getting them.

    Even though we had a chance to win both games vs the Cats and Hawks in the last 2 mins, two things happened. We essentially lost both games in the second qtr because of poor play and big runs by the opposition and we made non- championship caliper plays in the last minte that ruined our opportunity to grab the W's. That including technical fouls by Rip in both games and questionable plays by Flip jr and of course questionable coaching by Flip sr.

    We learn by our mistakes and review tapes and take notes to correct them. The problem is I don't think our coaches take notes.
     
  11. MotownPride

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    Thanks bro.

    I agree. It was difficult to watch. Makes you wonder why Flip Murray'ss number was called in the first place during such a critical time in the game.
     
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    Yep, a good coaching staff would be nice. So hard to find a true leader on/off the court. As it has been said again...and again...and again. A team takes the identity of its coach. Show me a championship team and I'll show you a championship coach.
     
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    That's worth repeating.... Phil Jackson has inherited the talent... Tomjanovich was not a tactician or rotation guru... he had The Dream and an excellent supporting cast.
    Flip coulda coached the Jordan Bulls to a ship....
    This in noway diminishes the effects of a strong leader... but we know there have been average coaches advanciing in the playoffs while highly capable tacticians become lotto losers seeking employment.
    IMHO, the current status of the team rest more on Joe than Flip.
     

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