At Atlanta Hawks Dec. 21st, 2:00 PM

Discussion in 'December 2008' started by Dlev59, Dec 14, 2008.

  1. Menace

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    Finally had a chance to watch a live game again. I do see some improvements and i think all the excuses that have been roaming around (chemistry, AI blending in, Rip grieving) can be tossed out of the window.
    The team is as it is right now. All that can be fixed to improve this team are rotations or adding another big. MC's rotations puzzle me big time and same might be the case with the Piston players. Why can't we just go back to an "old school"/normal/standard rotation instead of these "how do i feel today"/"what does my instinct tell me" kind of rotations that sometimes doesn't make sense.
    I haven't seen Boston play this season ( i hate them) but i doubt they bench players at random because the coach feels like it.
    How do you prepare as a player if you don't know if you're gonna be out there, how do you build up rhythm.

    When Pistons signed MC i had high hopes but they are lowering every game the Pistons play. I have read ppl post that Flip often looked like a scared mouse, well MC looks like a headless chicken most of the time.

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    Sorry i had to go so soon during the podgame show, but was towards bedtime where i live, had to go to work the next day.
    I really like the show, hope to join in longer next time.
  2. Lee356

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    Your memory is off a bit. Bynum opened up the 2nd quarter in Utah too, and got us quite disorganized. Also, Tay could not hit the broadside of a barn at this point, since he is utterly leg dead. Him in there or not means nothing on our 3 point shooting, since right now, he can't shoot. Physically impossible.
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    I did see the whole game, read all of the posts, but have not heard the Podcast yet. The following comments are not complaints, but observations and my own constructive criticisms from a long time Piston fan from afar.

    Folks I love my Pistons and have already made two payments to league pass this season, and will probably make the remaining two, but this is not fun. I know we are only 2-3 games better recordwise than last year, but despite what some of us are saying, nothing seems to be getting better other than Stuckeys play. Seeing Sheed back his man down more than six times in one game was encouraging too, but how long will that last?

    Everyone else is either inconsistent (Tay and Sheed) or angry (tech meisters Sheed and Rip) and no one other than maybe Afllollo can play any defense. Admitingtly, Sheed, Dice and AI are a tad slow at 34 years old and getting beaten all over the floor, but what is the deal with Tay and the rest of the team? We hit our first 7 shots and could not even pull away by more 5 points during that opening 7-8 minutes but the young Hawks were matching us bucket for bucket.

    Yes we are missing Flip and Billups from last year's team, but now it looks like the defense went with them. How could a team that has two defensive specialists as its head coach and number one assistant be this pourous on defense??? I don't know what the answer is, but I think we need an defensive upgrade as Dice was not the answer...so far.

    The "three guard" experiment needs to end before we fall below .500 which could be by the end of this year if we are not carefull. Somebody's ego needs to be checked at the lockeroom and brought in off the bench (AI or Rip).

    I am not sure how long Joe will go with Curry but IF this team is going to hover about .500 up through the trade/alstar deadline, then Joe should make decision to throw in the towel or throw out Curry.

    Please Pistons turn it around. I am not expecting a ring, but show some pride and play respectable.
  4. lapiston

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    Les,

    Oh, did Bynum play the 2nd quarter against Utah? My mistake. Yes, we are getting very little out of Tay or Dyss for that matter lately.
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  6. Menace

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    Yes made me really laugh, especially these 2 parts:

    - "It’s amazing to me how some basketball players can play with a mouthpiece in. I tried wearing a mouthpiece in a game for about 4 minutes when I realized that the mouthpiece was blocking the air from going in and out of my mouth. Iverson seems to have found a way around that, though, as we see a shot of him shooting a jumper in a game while the mouthpiece dangles from his mouth. That’s a safety hazard kids. But AI is dangerous!"

    - "Perhaps a loss like this will force Coach Curry to re-consider using 7 starters. Maybe 8 or 9 should start from now on? Michael Curry is not afraid to think outside of the box!"
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    You have to disagree with me? You don't have to disagree with me. You're choosing to disagree with me.

    Well you know what?

    I pulled the stats.

    And I'm wrong.

    And I'm quite proud of myself for pulling the stats before someone pulled them on me.

    Per 36 minutes, Max's rebounding is only down 0.4. Which means that in his 10 mpg, it's almost imperceptible, and yet I claim to see it.

    So I am wrong about that. But I am right about all of the other subjective stuff I wrote, for which there are no stats to debunk me. ok?

    :o
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    That's great!

    The one that sums it up the best for me is:
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    jammertime Starter 1x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    These points pretty much sum up what has been said on this board for years:

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    Uh oh.

    That's pretty glood.
  12. lapiston

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    Lee, sorry for the typo on your name in the earlier post. LA Piston

    Micro, I too am disappointed in Maxiel. I keep expecting a break out year at least defensively. His offense has not really improved. The jumper is not high percentage.
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    His FTs have dropped off again too.

    He seems to float around a lot on D. Under the basket, he's a tough defender because he has a lot of length to cram in the phone booth, but in space he really looks like he has taken a step back.

    I'm just annoyed he isn't a 10 rebound player in 36 minutes (8.4). He doesn't seem very capable in that dept. An extra timely rebound here and there, and we might have won a couple more games.
  14. Menace

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    Well since i started watching Pistons games in the 87 season and liked that team a lot, i am bringing it up again:
    MC should use Amir and Max as role players like Chuck Daly used Rodman and Salley. Purely in for defence and hustle, never were there any plays run for Rodman/Salley, all they were in for was rebounding/shotblocking and defence. Who cares if they foul, they are in there to play intense.
    Use Dice as a kinda James Edwards, backing up Wallace (Laimbeer).
    Bring AI/Rip of the bench like a Vinnie.

    I just don't see any structure in the rotations of MC, just seems like he tosses guys in at random.

    Guys need to play to establish any conficence on the floor. I listen to the podshow and the Amir discussion. How can you expect a guy to feel confident on the floor if he gets jerked out at will.
    He needs to get the time and room to establish his role, same goes for Max.

    The whole Curry rotation just doesnt make sense.
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    Very true, how can we expect the players to be confident and focused if they have no idea what " Clueless on the Bench" is gonna call? his rotations are like a sudoku puzzle, and his version of the offense looks like dorf on basketball drew up the plays. :help2:
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    Forget the stats. If we win lately, you know JMAX was in the game making a difference. He is the most forceful player we have.
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    And that my friend is the problem..:mmph:
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    To me, its much more a problem that Curry decided not to play his most forceful player this last game. Instead, he gave us large doses of Dyess, who simply can't even get to most plays to apply any force at all. Its been depressing breaking down film on this one. Especially the sequences where Dyess is involved on defense. (Or, at least should have been involved.) The other coach is running plays to burn any weakness we have. Pretty good coach. Too bad we did not keep Woodson around.
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    What I am saying is that the perceived forcefullness of Max has been stunted by both Flip and MC and to the bigger extent Joe. The inconsistent playing time affected his growth and consistency.

    The other issue is why don't we have another player that can play with force? And when do we trade for one?
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    That's why i say we need another big that is a force in the paint. Not on the offensive end but on the defensive end. We have enough scoring abilities but we need someone who can rebound and shotblock, or atleast is willing to.
    That's why i don't understand that Amir and Max arent part of the "standard" rotation. (if there is any in MC's book of coaching).
    Amir and Max should be used for effort plays and crashing the glass.

    MC is starting to frustrate me. can't we get a reporter in and ask MC wtf he is doing?

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