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Amir Johnson - Detroit Piston Tracker

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    As I learned in a stats class in college.... stats can be made to say whatever you want them to say.

    There a tool and only a tool
     
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    Let's test that theory out.

    Try to find some stats that show that Primoz Bresec should be the NBA's MVP this year.
     
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    That's why I prefer lying with words instead of stats. Much easier.
     
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    By the way, Primoz now has 3 steals total this year, which matches the number of different uniforms he's worn. He's played in 45 games and gone steal-less in 43 of them. Somehow he got 2 in one game against Memphis (his single game career high). I reviewed the game tape and it appears as though Darko passed him the ball both times because he though he was a teammate. Those shouldn't count.
     
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    Here's a stat to show the opposite side of the Lee saying AA needs mins....

    were 3-1 in DNP CD's this year
    were 1-0 when he plays less then 1 min

    So i think he should play between 0 and 59 secs.... stats back me up

    we would be an .800 team that would make us 5 games better then we are right now.....


    (these arn't my views.... maybe :P, just showing what they can say)
     
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    I think your sample size is too small. Maybe pick somewhere between 10-15 games and see how that works.
     
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    your missing the point.... i picked stats that fit a view.... i'm sure if i wanted to waste enough time i could show all sort of things that really arn't the case.

    Stats don't tell the whole story, its only part of it.... and you have to sometimes trust your eyes and gutt
     
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    well someone else is wasting their time to prove otherwise.:hoops:
     
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    Its funny. Someone will have a certain opinion and other people will say that they are looking at it thru rose colored glasses. Ok. Thats subjective. Then they get stats. Then people discount the stats saying that stats can prove anything.
    You gotta trust your gut.

    all that boils down to is my subjectivity is worth more to me than yours.
     
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    Moneyball. That is what stats can do.
     
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    Brezec's team is undefeated this year when Primo plays 2, 15, 18, or 20 minutes. If his coaches were smart enough to notice this, he would never lose a game.
     
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    forget stats. It's very simple.

    Amir in game = good
    Amir not in game = bad
    Amir DNP = very bad

    Problem solved
     
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    How about the NBA efficiency stats?

    NBA.com:

    Amir gets a 6.9 efficiency rating

    He isn't as efficient as these former Pistons:

    Ron Murray (7.2)
    Nazr (10.1)
    Darko (9.9)

    But he does beat Chris Webber (6.8)

    And he is way more efficient than Primoz (2.5)
     
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    Yesterday: Amir DNP = Pistons win over NBA Champs.
     
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    Yesterday = barely beating the Spurs (who aren't really the Spurs right now anyway); Bowen out; Almost choked the game away from fatigue.
     
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    Now you are just being mean to the Amir fans....

    I'm pretty sure Amir is our secret weapon against the Spurs and Flip was sandbagging.
     
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    It's about the minutes. That's like saying he's not as good a rebounder as Tayshaun, because he averages less per game.

    Now efficiency per 48 minutes... He's tops on the team. Just under Carmelo Anthony. Above Chris Paul, Baron Davis, Tyson Chandler, Dwyane Wade, AI, JO, AK47, T-Mac, Brandon Roy, David West, Chauncey, etc. 23rd in the league overall if you take out the garbage time-only guys who have only played a handful of games. He's WAY ahead of Ratliff, Dice, Sheed, and Max.

    Again, you can twist stats to say what you want a lot of times, but there is no arguing the fact that he puts up numbers. You'll have a better chance if you stick to calling him "inexperienced".
     
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    A lot of us may not like seeing Amir's PT fluctuate, but he doesn't seem to mind.

    - Detroit Pistons Basketball: News, Blogs, Photos, Audio, Schedule & Stats - MLive.com
     
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    Even if he did, he wouldn't say.

    Besides the kid's only 20. We obviously know better. :)

    He should be playing.
     
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    Amazing as the skills he has displayed, Amir's attitude the last couple of years has been even better.

    Interesting to hear Pop giving props to the Pistons for bringing him along slowly.
     

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