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Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Feb 11, 2016.

  1. The Panda

    The Panda Garbage Post All Star Forum Donor

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    Is there any point engaging on this argument with fact anymore?
     
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  3. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    I used to argue with facts all the time.

    Took me 40 years to learn that rhetoric > dialectic.
     
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    BillLaimbeer All-Star 5x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    If you consider 48-minute stats using a 10-game moving average based on the mean plus/minus statistics, dialectic actually exceeds rhetoric by a 5% margin.
     
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    The Panda Garbage Post All Star Forum Donor

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    The combination of both is the most effective.

    This is the discursive equivalent of putting my fingers in my ears and yelling.

    Until SVG benches every player and goes out to play 1 on 5, he isn't the root of the problem. There is no evidence to suggest that he is telling players to deliberately throw games.
     
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  6. roscoe36

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    I used to believe stuff like this. But the weight of experience convinced me I was incorrect.

    I had an epiphany last year. All that matters is winning. I don't care how. Win ugly, win underhanded, win by cheating (but don't get caught), just win baby.
     
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    junior All-Star 5x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I'd say it's better to lose honestly than to win dishonestly. I'd take fifty years of losing honestly, if on the 51st year we win the right way.

    No matter how good Bonds, Brady, or Belichick has been over their careers; I will never respect them, just as the majority of the world hates 'em. Similarly, I, like anyone outside of Cleveland, abhors Lebron for being a sell-out and am starting to feel the same way about Durant.

    What do professional sports and athletes contribute to society? Modest entertainment to millions. Employ hundreds of folks outside of the athletes themselves.

    I'd argue the best thing professional athletes contribute to society is by being quality role models and inspiring future generations. For those who do really well for themselves and manage their millions well, they can contribute through charity and foundations. That's still being a good role model.

    Sure, the knucklehead Iversons of the world can offer fleeting inspiration and entertainment but their impact fades like memories of their fans.

    If playing their sport as well as they can brings them happiness and purpose, to each his own. But, as fans, we can choose to support those who cheat, deceive, and lie; or those who are honest and serve as role models. At the end of the day, it's just a game and we can tell ourselves whatever we need to sleep at night.
     
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    I'm a pretty competitive person by nature but I do not agree with this.

    The low road can get you wins initially but eventually it becomes a very lonely place.

    In terms of arguing, we have lost a lot of ground in the last 5 years to ways of thinking which had long been suppressed by facts. It does not paint a pretty picture.
     
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    There are no guarantees that all of that investment in being a "good loser" will pay off with a karmic reward in the 51st year.

    I am post-moralizing. I used to be a big time moralizer. It's a lonely place where it is impossible to love anything or anyone from my experience.

    I was making a broader philosophical statement, not necessarily confined to sports.

    I have always been really competitive, and I realize how noncompetitive I made myself by adhering to arbitrary moral codes out of social conditioning.
     
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    Makes my head spin when players get more pissed off about not making the all-star team than being on a team that's under .500. How bout getting a chip on your shoulder about that instead. The two are not mutually exclusive hombre.
     
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    You can't handle the (alternative) truth.
     
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    I became a fan of Belicheck & Brady because of Spygate and Deflategate, the titles were just a bonus.

    Show me a good loser and I'll show you a busboy.
     
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    This.
     
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    Jack Nicklaus was one of the best losers in history.
     
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    Won 18 majors and came in second in 19. Always gracious in defeat.
     
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    Cy Young had 316 losses.


    Close to the number of losses by Darth in fantasy sports.
     
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    If Maradona didn't score that infamous hand goal against England in 1986, Argentina may not have won the world cup. I doubt there's a single Argentinian fan out there who thinks that victory is worthless because there was a crucial illegal goal.*

    It is easy to be ticked off by somebody else's wrongdoing on the way to success. Fans tend to deemphasize such things when it's their own team. Not a single one of us would've complained if LeBron had colluded with Wade and Bosh to join forces in Detroit.



    * For the record, that year's WC was a well-deserved win for Argentina IMO.
     
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    Eh, it just ends up being a hollow victory.

    People need to learn how to lose. No one can always come out on top, no matter how dirty they play. It's just the way it is.
     
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    I'd rather a hollow victory than a noble loss. YMMV.
     
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    I just heard during a speech recorded in Nov last year

    "Magnanimity is confined to victors."

    Basically, you can't be a good winner if you don't win.

    Just win baby.
     
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