#8 pick prospects

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  1. BillLaimbeer

    BillLaimbeer All-Star 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    They do a pretty thorough analysis of each team here:

    Grantland's First Annual NBA Draft Lottery Preview - Grantland

    8. Detroit Pistons

    State of the Team: The slow decay of the team that won the championship in 2004 is nearly complete. Richard Hamilton, one of the last hangers-on, is now an organizational pariah. The coachless Pistons suffered the added indignity of watching ex-head man Rick Carlisle win a championship with the Dallas Mavericks. Detroit will enter next season under new ownership with the sale of the franchise to Tom Gores complete.
    STATS:
    W-L RECORD: 30-52
    eFG% RECORD: 27-55
    TOV% RECORD: 50-32
    REB% RECORD: 38-44
    FTA% RECORD: 33-49
    BIGGEST WEAKNESS: DEFENSE
    Some of the names from those great Pistons defenses are still around, but their chops have vanished. Detroit opponents put up a .526 eFG%, the highest shooting rate in the league. The team's best defender — statistically speaking — was Ben Wallace, but he was playing only 22 minutes a night and turns 37 this year. He was part of their most frequently used lineup, but even that five-man unit (which included Wallace, Jason Maxiell, Tayshaun Prince, Rip Hamilton, and Rodney Stuckey) allowed 114 points per 100 possessions, well above the league average of 107.3. The dismal result could be an artifact of the team's quitting on the now-deposed John Kuester, but the metrics on veterans such as Prince and Hamilton have been in free fall for years now. The returning Jonas Jerebko could help, but the Pistons desperately need some fresh legs on D.
    Front Office Profile: The Detroit Pistons won, and won often, in the past decade, churning through eight consecutive 50-win seasons and trouncing the Lakers for the 2003 title. They did it chiefly by relying on a collection of crafty (substitute savvy/wily/creaky) veterans. President of basketball operations Joe Dumars trusted the very adult Chauncey Billups, along with young folks-but-old souls Rip Hamilton and Tayshaun Prince, to play smart, defense-first basketball. This is, of course, the same brand of hoops that got Dumars elected to the Hall of Fame in 2006. That the Pistons made the playoffs for eight years straight under three different coaches is a testament to Dumars, and to his trust in veteran teams able to motivate and police themselves. Of late, though, the mature Pistons seem fed up with any coach at all: Michael Curry barely made it through the 2008 season, and kindergarten cop John Kuester marched the team straight into rebellion. Dumars has understandably stressed character in recent drafts, but this comes at a cost. While Greg Monroe, Austin Daye, and Jonas Jerebko seem like very nice people, they play defense like — well, very nice people. As the Pistons roster finally begins to turn over — Prince and Hamilton are surely on the way out — Dumars has the chance to draft an upstanding young man, and maybe even one who can guard the rim.
    They Said It: "As you all know, I put a premium on character and have guys represent us the right way. Sitting back and watching us go through all the issues we went through last year, I said, 'Never again are we going to be in a situation where we go through those issues and drama.'" — Dumars (Detroit News)
    The NBA Executive Says: "I think they'll look for a big. If Enes Kanter is still up for grabs, they'll take him; otherwise, they'll look at Bismack Biyombo."
    They Should Pick: Bismack Biyombo
  2. linwood

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    Just finished reading the Grantland article. Nice blog!

    I agree with their assessment. This team has desperately needed an enforcer down low since Ben Wallace went to Chicago.

    If Biyombo can bring back No Free Chili, then I don't care if he sucks at scoring one on none.

    If we are interested in defensive specialists, I would really like to see the pistons use their second round pick on Kenneth Faried.

    Kenneth Faried | NBADraft.net
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    "Putting together my NBA mock draft now, to be posted tonight on Pistons.com. Here's a teaser: Pistons fans are going to like it" - Keith Langlois, via Twitter.

    I can't wait! Good to see Keith on top of things, as usual. :)
  4. coynejeremy

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    I wish he would drop that far. Late first-rounder for sure from the mocks I've seen. That would be awesome, though.
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    I sort of like the Jan pick, so that he stays in Europe for another year and we can shamelessly tank.
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    What's the difference between Bismark and Cheik Samb? Both shot blockers that can't shoot.
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    The biggest difference imo is that Bismack is not a proven bust yet.
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    Check out the rebounding plot!

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  11. linwood

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    If I didn't already know about Kenneth Fareid, I would think that must be an outlier error.


    The Pistons really need defense and rebounding. Get it done, Joe!
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    That is not true. Cheik Samb was one of the best big man shooters the league has ever seen. He was far ahead of his time until the 13 broken jaws felled him.
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    Faried would be a great pick. I'd be ok with not drafting B-Smack if we somehow end up with Faried.

    I just hope he hangs on to the hair after the draft. We need some style on this team.
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    Leonard most likely gone by 8. But it will only take some and seemly small occurrence (before 8) to switch orders. He could drop and let us encourage Sacramento for Walker. I like Toronto taking a big.
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    Mogilny All-Star Forum Donor

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    If we do the Houston trade it could look like this:

    14 Kenneth Faried
    23 Jeremy Tyler
    33 Jimmy Butler
    52 Shelvin Mack

    Stuckey, Bynum, Mack
    Bengo, Rip, White
    JJ, Daye, Butler
    Faried, CV, JMax
    GM, Tyler, Ben?

    The starting lineup isn't the most balanced one but it's young and it's gritty! It's a step in the right direction.
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    Wasn't Samb about 7'3" and 160 lbs?
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    Notes:

    • He has had more time then previous years, to know all the players. Sounds very confident.
    • His take on the coaching problems is rhetoric.
    • He seems less confident about what is ahead for him at the 1-7 positions. Very strange, because for sure, he knows what his team needs and who will be lost. I'm sorry, but a tiny matrix created from a solid 5 or perhaps a sixth member blend, gets you on solid ground. Nothing is 100 per cent. In all likely hood. those gone before you:
      • Irving
      • Williams
      • Kanter
      • Knight
      • Vesely
      • JV.............may drop, but concerning the CBA, good move
      • Leonard......depends on who Cho likes
    • When teams get nervous from 10 on down, they error toward bigs.
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    I watched Jonas Valanciunas(sp?)'s tape...and I wasn't impressed.

    But it sounds like CLE would be taking him at #4 overall (ahead of Kanter even) if he wasn't going to miss next season.

    And it sounds like he's who San Antonio (SAN ANTONIO!) wants to trade Parker (PARKER!) to get.

    Maybe he's the real deal..

    It probably won't please the masses, but the masses are idiots. If he's the best guy on the board, you take him, you suck next season (just like we were going to anyways), you get an even better pick than you would have next season, you bring him over...you've got two really good rookies joining the team.
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    I'm down for this too. I like the Houston deal, I like Biyombo and I like JV.
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    He is the real deal. I think he will drop to us.

    This follows along with what most observers have noted as JD progresses over the next 1-2 years (and no, he won't have three years): Do not miss on any pick. It is value that can be used in combinations. A need has been provided.

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