Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by junior, Apr 2, 2017.
12 is considered a perfect number.
Kobe Bryant was drafted 13.
Celtics get the top pick. The rich get richer. Maybe there needs to be a lottery ineligibility factored in. The team that gets #1 pick in ineligible for the lottery for 3 years, #2 for 2 years and #3 for 1 year. Something like that. If the goal is to have parity around the league something needs to change. The current system rewards doing your best only if you have a chance to win it all. The next best thing is tanking like there's no tomorrow.
Right. Easy to devise something better than this system. I believe Kobe was an 8 or a 9 pick but in the era of high school graduates being eligible. Yes, there are a few players today like Leonard who were drafted later on, but stars go at the very top of the draft. Curry dropped as far as 7. The 20o4 team had Sheed (3rd pick), Billips (3rd pick) and Rip (7th) pick. That team was no fluke. The fluke was Ben Wallace who was a true star but not drafted high at all.
Big Ben was actually undrafted. He is a very special player. As the scouting organizations and analytics get more and more sophisticated, there's a much less chance of finding a gem deep in the draft. Some organizations had the edge on international scouting that netted fantastic players late in the draft, but nowadays everybody's paying attention to that.
Yes, it will be harder to find a "gem" as you say. They are still there--like a Thomas on Boston. But realistically, if you do not get a top pick, you cannot expect to get a star. You probably will get a starter who is more of a support player. The problem with the current Pistons is that there is no "scorer" or star on the team. Not even a Hayward that Utah has. Even in this era, I would draft Ben Wallace today as a number one pick. A center who can roam is what is needed defensively in this three ball league. Ben could protect the rim, handle the pick and roll and fly out on a three ball shooter. I remember he blocked a Reggie three in one playoff game. The traditional centers are a drawback unless they can really score. Other than that, it is all about offense: shooting the three or having a guard who can penetrate and score and distribute.
Tony Parker was drafted 28-th, Carlos Boozer 35-th, Tayshaun Prince 23-rd, Bill Laimbeer....65-th. Figuratively speaking, as a player sometimes you have to be lucky and find the right situation to blossom.
Remove draft socialism, and create a free market for young players. Then you don't have fixed salaries for young guys coming in, and teams that want the next LBJ have to invest a lot of cap space up front. A team with a lot of cap space can sign the top 3 players coming out. Teams with no cap space have to find other ways to improve like hire a FT shooting coach or someone to teach meditation.
There are problems with this though. The next LBJ is never going to sign with Detroit, even if we threw a max contract at him. The draft is workable because of the salary cap. If you get rid of the draft and have a 'free market' then you need to remove the cap too. But then you just end up with the same problem - big market = more pull. On a side note, good luck with Lonzo. Can't wait to see them fix that broken action.
You want teams to spend crazy dollars for spoiled teenagers with potential?
Yes. As Cleveland learned, drafting LBJ wasn't enough. He came back for sentimental/legacy reasons. Michigan produces a LOT of elite ballers.
I think it would put the small-market teams at a huge disadvantage.
I like Canada but its kind of restricted by the brutal winters.
It's not that brutal. Most Canadians live close to the US border, so no worse than Seattle/Detroit/New York.
Who cares? Nature doesn't care about small markets. That's wholly a human invention, the concern for EVERYONE, EVERYWHERE. It's not tenable, hence why you get these terrible man-made systems, ostensibly to "solve" the non-problem, and causing more harm to everyone. Just because someone owns a team in a small market, doesn't mean it makes good sense to handicap larger markets to improve the lot of the small market team. In a world like that, we'd all be getting cut down in size because it would be UNFAIR for someone to be tall.
So you want the Pistons to fold? What will happen to the forum?
History of Number 12 picks. Kelley Tripuka was the only 12 pick that we actually drafted. Year Player Drafted From Drafted By 2016 Taurean Prince- Baylor - Utah 2015 Trey Lyles Kentucky Utah - 2014 Dario Saric Croatia - Orlando 2013 Steven Adams Pittsburgh - Oklahoma 2012 Jeremy Lamb Connecticut - Houston 2011 Alec Burks Colorado - Utah 2010 Xavier Henry Kansas - Memphis 2009 Gerald Henderson Duke - Charlotte 2008 Jason Thompson Rider - Sacramento 2007 Thaddeus Young Georgia Tech - Philadelphia 2006 Hilton Armstrong Connecticut - New Orleans 2005 Yaroslav Korolev Russia. 1987 LA Clippers 2004 Robert Swift CA HSSr. Seattle 2003 Nick Collison Kansas Sr. Seattle 2002 Melvin Ely Fresno St. Sr. LA Clippers 2001 Vladimir Radmanovic Yugoslavia 1980 Seattle 2000 Etan Thomas Syracuse Sr. Dallas 1999 Alek Redojevic Barton Co. JC So. Toronto 1998 Michael Doleac Utah Orlando 1997 Austin Croshere Providence Indiana 1996 Vitaly Potapenko Wright State Cleveland 1995 Cherokee Parks Duke Dallas 1994 Khalid Reeves Arizona Miami 1993 George Lynch North Carolina LA Lakers 1992 Harold Miner USC Miami 1991 Greg Anthony Nevada-Las Vegas New York 1990 Alec Kessler Georgia Houston 1989 Mookie Blaylock Oklahoma New Jersey 1988 Harvey Grant Oklahoma Washington 1987 Tyrone Bogues Wake Forest Washington 1986 John Williams Louisiana State Washington 1985 Kenny Green Wake Forest Washington 1984 Tim McCormick Michigan Cleveland 1983 Darrell Walker Arkansas New York 1982 John Bagley BostonCollege Cleveland 1981 Kelly Tripucka Notre Dame Detroit 1980 Mike Woodson Indiana New York
Looks like a lot of Euros drafted 12 since '96. It would be amazing if there was a Vlad Rad character for us to take. 3P shooting big man with a hard nose around the hoop.
Then all the teams would relocate to New York and Los Angeles. Producing food is not a great gig. That's why governments incentivise farmers to continue producing softs. It brings it closer to parity with having an office job. I'd also point out that the NBA isn't nature. Basketball is a man-made ecosystem. Having teams spread across the country is a direct result of trying to create parity for external factors to the game and it has made it both more profitable and more involving.
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