Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by junior, Apr 2, 2017.
I ran the lottery simulator like thirty times before I got this result...here's to hope!
Here's a mock draft of the actual standings. The disappointing thing is the most likely draft picks for the Pistons are weak PF/C Lure/Ellenson type players.
A more interesting question than who the Pistons end up drafting and then sending to the GR Drive next year is Who will be the #1 pick? Josh Jackson, Markelle Fultz, Lonzo Ball, or wildcard...?
Why not us?
It is very rare that PGs come into the league and have an immediate impact. It is truly a position that requires experience. So if you think the Pistons will draft a PG in the first round, you need to be prepared to wait a couple years for it to bear fruit.
I don't see the Pistons winning a championship next year, do you? For those following @TaS 's analyses, it was fairly clear that Reggie was our weakest link this year and his poor performance on both ends detracted from other players. I have been working on some per-game win correlation analysis that I plan to share soon (spoiler alert: positive correlation (KCP/Ish/Baynes/Morris), no correlation (Dre/Harris/Leuer), negative correlation (Reggie/Stanley)). Nevertheless, I think the need for a quality starting point guard can be seen in the current NBA standings: East: 1) Boston - Isaiah Thomas -- all-star and MVP candidate (Check out what a great PG can do to raise his teammates up: 2016-17 Boston Celtics Roster and Stats | Basketball-Reference.com) 2) Cleveland - Kyrie Irving -- all-star and Lebron can't do it without him, did see some of the ridiculous shots he made in the Finals last year? 3) Toronto - Kyle Lowry -- all-star, gave the Cavs a run for their money last year 4) Washington - John Wall -- all-star, resurgent this year, gave the Lebron Heat a run for their money a couple years ago West: 1) Golden State - Steph Curry -- all-star, MVP, champion 2) San Antonio - Tony Parker - HOFer, 4-time champion, facilitator for Leonard/Aldridge 3) Houston - James Harden - all-star and likely 2017 MVP 4) Utah - George Hill - he has played very well, but Hayward/Gobert are the diff-makers 5) LA Clippers - Chris Paul - all-star, Clippers were awful without him 6) Oklahoma City - Russell Westbrook - all-star and MVP candidate, plays hero ball and won't win a championship, but will give them a chance to compete in playoffs 7) Memphis - Mike Conley - all-star snub, really like this guy, works hard on D, shoots the 3, but all-star Marc Gasol has made this team this year 8) Portland - Damian Lilliard - all-star snub, without him this is a lottery team So it's true that all of these PGs took a couple of years to develop, but I don't see a contender in this NBA landscape without an all-star quality point guard...
Although, my argument is conditional on the ridiculously small chance the Pistons get a top 3 pick. If they do, they should take the best talent available and that's Fultz or Ball. Most likely picking between 10-12, they will have the great opportunity of picking weak PF/C like Markkanen, Collins, or Leaf. OR they could take another swing SF/PF that is in love with the mid-range game like Miles Bridges.
Leaders of the Eastern conference, Boston Celtics: PG: Isaiah Thomas - Career: 44.3 FG% (6.2/13.9), 36.8 3P% (2.o/5.3), 87.6 FT% (4.8/5.5) 2016-17: 46.3 FG% (9.0/19.5), 38.3 3P% (3.3/8.5), 91.1 FT% (7.8/8.6) SG: Avery Bradley - Career: 44.3 FG% (4.9/11.1), 36.8 3P% (1.3/3.4) 2016-17: 46.9 FG% (6.7/14.3), 40.2 3P% (2.0/5.0) SF: Jae Crowder - Career: 43.3 FG% (3.1/7.1), 34.3 3P% (1.2/3.4) 2016-17: 45.4 FG% (4.5/10.0), 39.0 3P% (2.1/5.5) PF: Amir Johnson - Career: 57.4 FG% (3.1/5.5), 33.7 3P% (0.1/0.3) 2016-17: 57.4 FG% (2.7/4.6), 40.3 3P% (0.3/0.8) C: Al Horford - Career: 52.9 FG% (6.1/11.5), 34.7 3P% (0.3/0.9) 2016-17: 47.4 FG% (5.6/11.9), 35.8 3P% (1.3/3.6) I think this is anecdotal evidence to support @TaS claims that Reggie's lack of presence in the lane has forced the Pistons to settle on tough mid-range jumpers. Thomas gets to the lane almost better than anyone (Harden might be the only guy better at driving, facilitating, and getting his teammates better shots). Thomas gets his own but has also gotten more shots at higher efficiency for Bradley and Crowder. Johnson/Horford are still getting their shots and they have improved from 3. Thomas was the 60th pick in the draft. Brad Stevens should be coach of the year. What hope for this franchise. They had a top 3 pick last year in Jaylen Brown who is doing well as a rookie. They should have another top 3 pick again this year.
Bottom line the theme among all of these PG's is that on at least 8 or 9 of these teams, they would probably mid tier team with 15-20 less wins if the player mentioned wasn't their key go to and distributor. On the other other hand we could have had about 10 more wins without Reggie as our key player. Reggie was clearly not the same player after the surgery. I must have missed something but didn't realize his injury was that serious.....that it could that much of an affect on him? Will he be the same next season or the same? That is the million dollar question. Will someone take him off out hands for chump change and do we grab one of the freshmen pg if they are still available at the 10th or 11th spot? (depending on the ping of the ball).. Per 2017 NBA Mock Draft & Simulator | Tankathon ... we are in line for De Aaron Fox, or one of those Collins boys. Zach is on display tonight at the NCAA Finals game. He only has one year playing at Gonzaga for a team possibly didn't have that much competition until the tournament. But take a look at him tonight and his mix tape Zach Collins 2017 Draft Profile | Tankathon Not sure if pistons.org are willing to shop Reggie cheap, but this dude right here De'Aaron Fox 2017 Draft Profile | Tankathon
So basically, you agree with me 1,000,000%. The Lions used to do this. I don't think talent is the end game. The '03 Pistons were not very talented, but they won a lot of games. I want to do what I perceive San Antone does. I want to draft guys who are the "right fit", rather than put up great numbers or are 2" taller than the next guy. I think his confidence got shattered too. Destroy the body AND the mind, there is not a lot left, particularly when the soul is confined to self-motivation via sneaker slogans. Hopefully for the Pistons that he will get it back this summer.
You can't teach height.
The 2004 championship Pistons were an outlier. Only team to win the championship without a player in the all-star game that year. In the last thirty-eight years, every NBA champion has had an MVP on their roster except three teams: 2004 Pistons, 1990 Pistons, 1989 Pistons. Just about every NBA champion has had a top 5 draft pick including the 2004 Pistons with Chauncey and Sheed. LeBron (2016, 2013, 2012) -- 1st pick in 2003, 4-time MVP, 13-time all-star Curry (2015) -- 7th pick in 2009, 2-time MVP, 4-time all-star Duncan (2014, 2007, 2005, 2003, 1999) -- 1st pick in 1997, 2-time MVP, 15-time all-star Dirk (2011) -- 9th pick in 1998, 1-time MVP, 13-time all-star Kobe (2010, 2009, 2002, 2001) -- 13th pick in 1996, 1-time MVP, 18-time all-star Garnett (2008) -- 5th pick in 1995, 1-time MVP, 15-time all-star Shaq (2006, 2002, 2001, 2000) -- 1st pick in 1992, 1-time MVP, 15-time all-star Chauncey (2004) -- 3rd pick in 1997, 5-time all-star / Sheed (2004) -- 4th pick in 1995, 4-time all-star Jordan (1998, 1997, 1996, 1993, 1992, 1991) -- 3rd pick in 1984, 5-time MVP, 14-time all-star Olajuwon (1995, 1994) -- 1st pick in 1984, 1-time MVP, 12-time all-star Thomas (1990, 1989) -- 2nd pick in 1981, 12-time all-star Kareem (1988, 1987, 1985, 1982, 1980, 1971) -- 1st pick in 1969, 6-time MVP, 19-time all-star Magic (1988, 1987, 1985, 1982, 1980) -- 1st pick in 1980, 3-time MVP, 12-time all-star Bird (1986, 1984, 1981) -- 6th pick in 1978, 3-time MVP, 12-time all-star Malone (1983) -- 3-time MVP, 13-time all-star Dr. J (1983, 1976, 1974) -- 12th pick in 1972, 4-time MVP, 16-time all-star Great trivia question: last non-Pistons team to win a championship without a top-five pick or an MVP: In 1979, the Seattle Supersonics beat the Washington Bullets. So no, you're right. Talent doesn't matter at all. You can't teach talent. You can't teach heart. Fortunately enough, the current Pistons don't have either. But they do have height...
Remind me of the trade we almost did for Thomas about 3 years ago when he was trolling in Sactown?? Can't remember if he was offered as a throw in for someone we we wanted and decided not pursue or not, but at the time I guess we satisfied with Jennings running the show...
It may have been the Kings that nixed this one. Detroit Pistons Rumors: Isaiah Thomas Offer Could Lead to Josh Smith Trade
Is that a real basketball that he's holding? My God...
Was this Dumars or SVG running the show at this point? A chance to get Isaiah Thomas and rid themselves of Josh Smith...?
The quality of your posts is really high these days.
We would have probably ended up waiving him anyway.
Time for a promotion and a raise?
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