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2016/2017 NBA Trades, Signings, FA, and other Happenings

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Apr 16, 2016.

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  1. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    My favorite example is Mitch Richmond with the Kings. Probably before a lot of folk's time watching ball.

    I like to call Pierce Blue Bounce Meat.
     
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    Mich Richmond is another perfect example. He was a journey man. He got a ring with Lakers in 2002, playing 4 minutes and averaging 4 points per game.

    In game 4 of the finals he dribbled out the clock for the championship. I recall Shaq congratulating him in the last seconds, probably by saying " patience is a virtue" or "well deserved" or "you come to play with us and get a ring" or whatever... just speculating. :)

    In a way, regarding numbers, you can say the same thing for Clyde Drexler and many others.
     
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    I feel like you might have missed the point.

    I'm not saying that career stats determine whether someone has heart.

    I'm saying that Dirk Nowitzki's championship year was the one he put it all on the line and it showed in his numbers. That GSW Monta Ellis and 2 years ago Monta Ellis differ in intensity and heart and that the stats reflect this.

    Also, it takes more than one player to be a winner. Put Michael Jordan on the 2013 76ers and their ceiling is the 8th seed and an ungraceful 2nd round exit.
     
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    It's precisely what I'm saying, precisely my point. I don't think that I'm missing anything. Bringing up Clyde Drexler is your Jordan's point. Sometimes players are not put in position to win.
     
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    I wonder if there is a way to capitalize on the LA Lakers situation.

    They have a talented group of young players: Russell, Clarkson, Ingram, Randle and some bad contracts like Deng at 18 mil and Mosgov at 16 mil.

    Pretending I am an LA Laker fan for a second, best case scenario for next year:

    PG: Lonzo Ball
    SG: Nick Young
    SF: Paul George
    PF: Julius Randle
    C: Andre Drummond

    Given all the hype, LA looks like the most likely destination for Ball and George. I'd then argue that their weakest position would be center and Drummond would be a nice fit. However, given the way the NBA has been transitioning, centers are less of a focal point on a team and more of reduced minute defensive/rebounding/energy players (Tristan Thompson/JaVale McGee come to mind). Dre could be that kind of player for a team.

    If I were a NBA GM and I saw the situation in LA, I'd try to nab one of those young talented assets (Russell/Clarkson/Ingram/Randle) even if it meant taking a Deng/Mosgov cap hit for a couple years (God, those contracts are awful).
     
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    I am trying to brainstorm and I can't really find a situation where any team would want Reggie Jackson.

    Anyone have any ideas?

    I think you'd have to offer picks or other assets for a team willing to take on that mess.

    Imo, the only way he'd potentially be valuable is as a backup PG like Jennings was for the Wizards.
     
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    I'd be surprised if we moved either of these guys. I think SVG wants to give this another whirl with a healthy Jackson.
     
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    You said defense.

    I think RJ is still a very good player. He wasn't healthy last season. If Deron Williams can get minutes in an NBA Finals game, RJ has a place in this league.

    If that doesn't work out, it's over for this squad as currently constituted. Dre and friends will have nowhere to hide.
     
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    junior All-Star 5x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    If the Pistons finish 9th-12th next year in the East with a healthy RJ, would that be the last straw for SVG?
     
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    Probably.
     
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    No. It will be the last straw for this team as it is currently constituted. Gores will stick with SVG for a long time because SVG has some cred, and these players by and large do not.

    Regardless of how much we like the players, they are the disposable units in this equation, particularly since none of them are superstars or franchise players.
     
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    If the Pistons are healthy and we end up in the lottery, I think Gores gives SVG the boot.
     
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    Why did svg get players with no cred?
     
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    I'd like to say it is because he is a 5D chess player and has mastered Machiavelli's treatise on politics, but I think he inherited Dre and Pope, and has done his best to build his team around two guys who were still on their rookie deals at the time. Competent guys on rookie deals are like gold.

    If SVG can get a decent return for Dre or RJ, I have no doubt they are gone. The vibe I get from SVG is that he only cares about winning. He knows that winning solves all of his job related problems. Elite players have turned on him before, so unless he is an idiot (his political views notwithstanding) he's not going to marry himself to a 2nd tier star like Dre or RJ.
     
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    This is really interesting
     
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    If SVG had the excuse he didn't pick the players I could see the excuse to give him more time, but if they don't make major strides next year SVG has to be shown the door.... Hire a real GM and let him make the call on the coach which means probably a new one.
     
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    The team has a full-time GM. SVG is the President of basketball operations and coach.

    I don't know if people understand he doesn't do the micro-managing of the day-to-day. He sets the broad direction, and gets consulted on big decisions like who to draft, who to sign, just like Gores is.

    You cannot run a massive enterprise if you insist on doing everything yourself, and from all indications, SVG as executive understands this.

    People will have to accept there are no quick fixes for the mess that Davidson and Dumars left behind. It could take us a decade to win a playoff game. That's just reality.
     
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    I don't think that is going to work.

    QED. :)
     
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    They don't make a move without Van Gundy's blessing.
     
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