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Important 2016-17 Pistons

Discussion in 'Pistons and NBA' started by roscoe36, Jun 17, 2016.

  1. roscoe36

    roscoe36 All-Star Administrator

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    And the lazy defense.
     
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    webz All-Star Snub Administrator 4x Fantasy Champion Forum Donor

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    I saw that the Lakers might be looking to deal Lou Williams. I think he would be great for us off the bench - we really need some scoring. He doesn't really fit the Lakers rebuild timeline. Only 7m per with another year to go. Not sure what they would want from us though.
     
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    They'll probably want a lottery 1st for Sweet Lou, and he would basically knock Stanley Johnson out of the rotation. Besides, the Pistons already have a scorer off the bench, Tobias Harris.

    I picture Boston going after him with one of their many 1st round picks, Jerebko, James Young, and a 1st, for Lou Williams, easy. Upgrade over Rozier.
     
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    TaS All-Star Forum Donor

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    If Stanley Johnson improves, he has the personality to take over the leadership role on the team. Tough to lead when you're a young glue guy though. His shot just needs to go in the basket more often.
     
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    I think he would need an injury (Morris, Harris, Leuer) to get the minutes to take his game up a level. If he was given the minutes and a longer leash to learn and make mistakes, I think Stanley would flourish. I don't see it happening this season, though, barring an injury or a trade.
     
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    I'm not entirely sure Stanley's ceiling is much more than a Shumpert. Don't forget, he was a top 5 pick himself wasn't he?
     
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    I sort of agree. Its hard to really sit here and say 100% that Dre should be the one traded.

    The reason for this is actual trade itself. Dre absolutely has greater value than RJ, in terms of upside, production etc etc. But the real question is, what would we get back in a blockbuster trade involving a leading young centre. Who are our potential trade partners?

    If we trade Dre, I'd put money on it that this team gets blown up and we go back to busters fighting for the 6-8th pick. The only case that doesn't happen is that we get a sick player back in return who fits better.

    So the question really becomes, do we trade Reggie and eat the downgrade/sidegrade and lose a pick. Or, do we trade Drummond, seriously reduce the level of talent and wait until the next draft?

    We aren't GSW. We can't let guys 'work' their way back in, especially when they are arguably the second best player on the team. DET and GSW are simply not analogous.

    Curry could not play until June and GSW will still rack up 60 wins.
     
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    On the season, Stanley Johnson is shooting .478 on corner 3-point attempts. He attempts about 27% of his shots from the corners.

    On all other 3-point attempts, he is shooting .236. And of course, those account for 73% of his attempts.

    Seems like it may make sense to give him the red light on non-corner 3's. After all, it's worse for our offense than getting Hack a Dre'd. Other teams try to take away corner threes, and he is a good example of why they do that. It's barely longer than a college 3.

    And John Leuer has the opposite problem. He shoots .286 on corner 3's and .337 on all other 3-point attempts.
     
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    I've done some 3pt shooting monitoring of the Pistons the past couple of years. You would think that the team would be sending these stats to the players and SVG to make the offense more efficient... wouldn't you? :hmmm:
     
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    Would like to see the stats on open 3s versus other teams.
    My eye says we miss more of these than most other teams.


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    I've been meaning to recap that Zach Lowe article but haven't had the time. I think the Pistons would be better with less. They should not have signed Leuer.

    It is nothing against him but he is just more of what they already have. He is why they're up against the tax and it might cost them Harris. He has taken SJ's and Ellenson's minutes.

    A good team would benefit from their rookie deals. We are wasting them for a stretch 4 who can't stretch and is a massive liability on D.
     
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    Ernie the Slow Adult All-Star Forum Donor

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    He was a late 1st If I recall.
     
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    If Drummond ran around more this would all work itself out.
     
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    This is like arguing that Udrih is taking Gbinije's minutes.

    Yeah, it has nothing to do with Dre defending "No mans land" as Lowe points out.

    He was top 10. 8 IIRC.

    I don't think Dre wants to run. He barely can bring himself to dunk these days.
     
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    Only if Udrih played 30 mpg.



    Shumpert was # 17 in 2011. The Pistons had the 8th pick that year and took B Knight. Had Van Gundy been here he probably would have taken Leuere, who went 40th, there.

    NBA.com: NBA Draft history: 2011 Draft
     
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    My point is that 0 minutes are allocated to our rooks. This is not new. If you have been reading our Resident General, he has bemoaned this about the franchise for over a decade.

    I thought we were talking about SJ.
     
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    We may as well trade our picks down and select nba ready journeymen.
     
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    Like Jon Leuer and Aron Baynes, our two best players.
     
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    I truly believe that Dre is an impressionable youngster who can be molded. Reggie is a bad influence. I really think that removing Reggie from this equation will make everyone better. This team needs an Andre Miller type PG.

    SVG the GM created this mess. He took a risk and it didn't pan out. Now let's see if he has the fortitude to fix his own mistakes.
     
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    Exactly. If they could be draft picks instead of our 5th and 6th highest paid players, we could reallocate funds to get better top tier guys.

    Rookie contracts are great... except when it's wasted on guys who don't play.
     

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