2013/2014 Pistons news and Happenings

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  1. Mogilny

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    You are suggesting that Bynum is responsible for his teammates' turnovers?
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    Even after he leaves the floor.

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    Absolutely. If Bynum gives the ball to the guy in the post, who is not ready to do anything with the ball, its the point guards fault if a lot of turns result. Hey, if it were Billups running the point, and we only had five turns for the game, which has happened actually, we absolutely do credit Billups for running a good game. Similarly, if we have 28 turns, like we did last night, I will blame the starting point, Bynum in this case, for not having the team organized.
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    Suppose one of the concession workers spills his popcorn while walking down the aisle. If Bynum is running the point, how much of the spilled popcorn falls on Bynum?
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    Maybe Lee can start an anti-Bynum thread and hang out there all by himself. I would like that.
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    So let me get this straight, "Too short" Will Bynum has a + game, 11 assists, 1 turn, and now the knock is that his teammates had turns and THOSE TURNS are his fault.

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    Bynum DID go out on Halloween as Michael Jordan one year...............:bigeyes:
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    Yep, and we also give credit to the point guard when there are very few turns, even though the point guard is only one of five guys out there. That is the way it is.. Always has been. Nothing new that I started.
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    I have never heard of a player being responsible for his teammates' turnovers. This is something new.
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    We don't credit the point guard for his teammates having low turnovers. That's a complete ball of hooey, if you'll pardon my French.
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    Lets get this straight. Yes, when the whole team, including the point guard, has a five turnover game, its the point guard that everyone points to as running a good game. This includes a lot of sharp passing on the part of the point guard, as well as the point guard using his leadership skill in getting everyone into the plays such that plays are successful and turnovers are minimalized. This again, is absolutely nothing new from me. Just the way it is.
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    In 2013, per 48 minutes, here is how the team fared turnover-wise with Bynum on the court and off the court:

    Offensive turnovers by team while WB on the court: 15
    Offensive turnovers by team while WB off the court: 14
    (team turns it over 1 extra time with him out there, for whatever reason)

    Defensive turnovers forced by team with WB on the court: 14
    Defensive turnovers forced by team with WB off the court: 15



    Stuckey?
    Off t/o while RS on: 15
    Off t/o while RS off: 14

    Def t/o while RS on: 12
    Def t/o while RS off: 14

    Same as Bynum on offense overall and worse on defense in terms of turnover rate.
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    Not so fast. Stuckey was not playing point guard last season. He was instead out of position at shooting guard. Good you are actually using stats. But not the right stats.
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    He averaged 50% more assists per minute than Brandon Knight and Rodney Stuckey. He also averaged the most points per minute of anyone on the team. He was a combo guard that did it all.

    I watched the games- he wasn't standing in the corner waiting for the pass from Stuckey so that he could shoot the ball.
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    Lets look at this a 2nd way. Great you took the time to look up the stats. Now, you may not think that one more turn on one end, one less turn on the other, is so significant. But lets go to the calculator on that. About 7%. (using 14 as a base) That is a lot. Lets look at 7% in terms of shooting for instance. A 33% shooter on 3's is just average. But a guy shooting 40% is pretty darn good at shooting 3's.

    Furthermore, hey, Frank was a lousy coach, looking to get the very least out of any particular player. We lost a whole lot, and simply were a very poor team, when factoring in the coach and his consistently wrong decisions on just about everything. In all, we just ran units out there that could not function. But Bynum managed to go another 7% in the wrong direction, on both ends of the floor. Now, to start with just mediocrity, to be kind, and go 7% down from there, well, that is Bynum for you. By the stats. I prefer observations from actually watching all the games and studying film. But if the stats support what I am saying, why not use them to.
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    Sorry, Lee, I actually mistyped. On defense, we force 14 with him on and 13 with him off. So, it did in fact even out. By your logic above, it the team averaged 1 turnover without him and 2 with him, it would be a 100% increase and the difference between a shooter shooting 0% and 100%. That's nonsensical because on one side you're taking the percentage increase in the percentages and on the other you're taking the gross difference in percentages.

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    Looks like Lee owned you guys in yet another Bynum discussion.
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    No. That's not normal at all. You're just saying it because it justifies a weak criticism of Bynum. Try harder.

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